| SOTW:
Episode #62- Illustrated Steele |
by Xenos1981 (Fri Nov 17 2006 07:48:52 ) |
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Holy crap!!!
It's Friday already. You know what that means...Time for the Steele of
the Week. Tonight's "underrated" episode is "Illustrated Steele". Go for
it, my Steele Peeps...
Xenos
P.S. Ace, didn't
know if we were labeling the episodes by the week number or the actual
episode number. Feel free to change/update the title of this post to reflect
what number we're on. |
by Xenos1981 (Fri Nov 17 2006 16:34:32 ) |
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Just bumping
this up so everyone will remember what episode we're on...
Xenos |
by everglade68 (Fri Nov 17 2006 19:20:02 ) |
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This will
be short and not too sweet. I saw this episode last night and tonight and
had a hard time warming up to it. I view all the episodes with an open
mind, but I could not like this show. But of course, this episode is from
Season Three,
my least favorite (I'm not even thinking of Season Five).
However, I
must admit that I liked a few things about Illustrated Steele. It was a
pleasure to see Laura so excited about going on vacation with Remington.
I don't remember this type of excitement in any of the other
episodes,
but I may be wrong.
I loved the
back and forth conversation on the walkie talkie. It was actually kind
of a sexy thing.
My favorite
one liner had to be Remington to Laura "your idea of a vacation is coming
back late from lunch". It's neat that he knows her so well.
Let see, making
an effort here, ah yes, the psycho scene along with the music was pretty
good. Also liked Remington's brown coat, Laura's black coat, and the skiing
outfits. And of course, RS with the red sweater looked awfully good.
The look that
RS gave Laura when he found out that Mildred was going with him was just
wonderful.
I will read
all the other posts to see if maybe I missed something in this episode.
But I doubt that I will change my mind.
Isabel |
by Xenos1981 (Fri Nov 17 2006 19:25:19 ) |
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Haven't re-watched
this episode yet, but I have to ask you, Isabel...What DIDN'T you like
about it. You said you had a hard time warming up to it and couldn't like
it, but you didn't say why. Don't get me wrong...I LOVE that you're listing
what you liked and being so positive. But why DON'T you like it?
Xenos |
by everglade68 (Fri Nov 17 2006 20:10:44 ) |
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Xenos, I put
a lot of effort in finding positives about this episode and now
you want the
negatives? You are hard to please, woman.
To begin with
I hated the dollface name, the plot was more than stupid, and the co-stars
were unappealing as hell. In fact Arte was extremely annoying.
I felt nothing
when he died and neither did Remington or Laura.
And I hate
to say this, but even the chemistry between R and L was off. It must have
been one of those days in the set and not just for the writers of this
episode.
The whole episode
just left me disappointed. If the first season had been like this, I would
not be writing this now. I would not have continued watching the show.
Sorry but you
wanted to hear it.
Isabel |
by jrdedrick (Fri Nov 17 2006 21:55:09 ) |
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Here are my
notes on this episode. I have to apologize first off because this has been
a really crappy week so even though I took notes on this ep, I really am
not in the mood to 'jazz em up' as it were so they are probably as boring
as h*ll and I apologize for that. Also, this is not one of my favorite
eps but it is watchable all though I don't if I can get away with it at
all. With that being said however, here they are, my notes....
It was interesting
to learn something about how comic strips are done.
Wow, that’s
a LOT of files? And why couldn’t they put them into Murphy’s old office?
I didn’t think
that Dashing Dave and Dollface looked all that much like RS and LH. I can
see where she’d be insulted by the eyes. Why did Arte draw her that way?
I never got that. Arte is
VERY ANNOYING. He’s not that cute
either. Don’t see how he’s attracting all those women.
Aspen received
five inches of fresh powder over an eight foot packed base. I’ve never
been skiing so I don’t have any idea if that’s good or not. Love the vacation
talk. FUN-whassat?
Nice place
Arte lives in. Inkers must make pretty decent money. If potassium cyanide
capsules turn ordinary steam into deadly gas then how come they aren’t
all sick since they all would have inhaled it? And if it is so deadly then
why isn’t Arte DEAD? Arte plays stupid really well. And his lips are too
big–really emphasizes that stupid look!
Never saw Psycho-Anthony
Perkins, Janet Leigh, Paramount 1960 so I don’t know what the house
looks like. Also, who would take a FOUR year old to see Psycho? And how
much older is Frances that she could have gotten in either? Weren’t they
stricter about that back then? When did the movie ratings thing start?
Love her description that she gets of the place. Reminiscent foreboding...an
aura of doom...an almost palpable feeling of evil. I liked the waterfall.
Does Raymond Kelly have it so that he’ll feel like he’s playing golf in
the jungle?
“Couple of
dicks,” LOL. Sounds like Ray really hates Arte. He has a big ego and he’s
faced off against an even bigger one. R thinks they have their man but
L typically wants to check further. Great how she has open ended tickets
though. Question, don’t even open ended tickets have a certain check in
time for departure? I loved the ominous music in this episode.
“Dashing Dave
to Dollface.” The walkie talkie flirting was too cute! Liked this next
little bit. To paraphrase “Ski lodge with a fire place......a stone fire
place with a large roaring fire and people all around...I only see two
people, a man and a woman there shoes off feet by the fire... mugs of hot
buttered rum (WHAT IN THE HECK IS THAT? doesn’t sound very good.)...he
leans into her...and she to him....and gives her a big warm (we all know
its gonna be KISS of course LOL)...(SNEEZE)...HANDKERCHIF!!!
Don’t know why but that one has me rolling every time.
Arte has a
nice car for being an inker. I think I wanna be an inker, since it looks
like they make REALLY great money. Come to think of it being a comic artist
must be a huge money making career since Raymond Kelly lives in a castle!
Just how did Arte kill Ray Kelly anyway?
Why didn’t
Laura PACK her clothes in suitcases? Why are they all over the floor in
a huge pile? WHY DIDN’T THEY CHECK ARTE’S ORIGINAL STORY? Why use non-photo
blue if it can’t be reproduced? Steele had some commercial art training?
That would have been great to hear about but as usual he stops just short
of sharing. Loved the look she gave him and the way she taunted him for
a change. Also, if non-photo blue is what the professionals use, why wouldn’t
Ray Kelly be using it for his strips instead of pencil?
How to murder
your wife-Jack Lemmon, Verna Lisi, United Artists, 1965. Never saw
that one either but it sounds like it would be funny. Laura the race car
driver. Heck I would have taken a dive out of that car after the first
curve. I wouldn’t have kept going with her driving.
If they didn’t
check Arte’s story originally, how did they know exactly where his car
supposedly went skidding off the embankment and he jumped?
Am I the only
one who thought that drawing of Dashing Dave and Dollface that Arte gave
them at the funeral didn’t look like either one of them? Whomever drew
that picture must have done it without them being anywhere around. I’ve
never been to a funeral where they talked about someone else.
Did Arte think
that R & L were so stupid that he could get away with him setting them
up? Or did he think he was smarter than two big time private detectives?
And why involve them at all?
Three months
before....Ray’s wife died. Did Arte kill her too? Or was that Cindy? Was
the contract signed then too? I think that probably would have been signed
when Arte started working for Ray not that much time later.
On the strip
that Arte’s reading there are NO words that I could see so why is Arte
moving his big thick stupid lips like he’s reading? His Birds-eye View
strip doesn’t sound very exciting.
R’s Dancing
Dave and Dollface looks more like them than Arte’s did. What’s with the
tongue thing? Does Arte do that when he’s scared? How did they lure Arte
to Ray’s? Thump.....guess Cindy saw Psycho when she was four too.
Love how L
sends R off with Mildred and the annoyed look he gives her. Did she sprain
her leg as well as her ankle? That bandage goes awfully far up her leg
for just her ankle to have been sprained.
Another missed
opportunity......SIGH.....when she says “Don’t bet on it Mr. Steele” is
she responding to his statement or about the comment in the bubble on the
picture?
Neeney
Smile, it makes
people wonder what you're up to! ![[biggrin]](biggrin.gif) |
by everglade68 (Fri Nov 17 2006 22:19:44 ) |
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Ah Neeney,
that was wonderfulllllllll, just love those notes of yours. Maybe you can
teach me how to do that one day.
You make the
episode sound a hell of a lot more interesting than I found it to be. In
fact, if I hadn't seen the show, I would have thought that it was
actually good
which IMHO it is not.
Fantastic job!
Isabel |
by TeenSteele (Fri Nov 17 2006 23:17:45 ) |
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Alright,
just returned from (gasp, dare i say it) Casino royale, so i shall get
to watching illustrated straight away, and attempt to make my notes :)
my gosh neeney, your notes are so sweeeet!! i shall try to be as thorough
as you.
"You
lived with a man who wears white belts? Am I disappointed"
CR 11/17/06 |
by picac (Fri Nov 17 2006 23:31:00 ) |
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| Xenos
only the topic starter can change the main topic title (You could just
lable it Underrated Steele #3)
Illustrated
Steele
This is a turning
the tables episode in a couple of respects and that’s the main reason I
enjoy it. I usually always enjoy those. It's not a Top 20 episode but it's
not bottom 20 either. Then I'm not sure I have a bottom 20 -- more like
a bottom 3 or so.
Dashing Dave
& Dollface are very 1940s private detective noir names – as is the
style of the comic strip. And yikes, those blanks eyes are right out of
the Little Orphan Annie playbook. I agree that Steele’s drawings of them
are better than Arte’s – with or without the creepy dead doll eyes.
As concerns
the vacation, Steele is playing hard to get. He's deliberately provoking
Laura's interest by pretending not to be interested and not believing she'd
ever actually go away with him so why get all excited which is in turn
making her more proactive to prove that she's indeed interested. He's tried
the chasing her around and this time he decided to stand still and see
if she'd do the chasing and she does -- she basically asks herself along
and then starts to make plans.
There's also
the neat twist on their usual roles where Laura is being very protective
of the client -- maybe too much so while Steele is the one that becomes
suspicious and won't let it go.
Arte is too
unbelievably puppy dog eyed/pouty lipped and the fact that all these women
fall for his line is a bit much. But I guess we’re surpassed to see that
he brings out some maternal (sometimes sexual – yikes) feeling in women
that makes them want to protect him. Then again his male editor/publisher
is also suckered in.
First Steele
thinks it’s open and shut and then Laura wants to still investigate, then
after Kelly is killed it’s Laura that thinks it’s closed and Steele is
suspicious. It’s similar to one of their earlier episodes Etched
in Season One. But here it’s added to in that Steele is also delaying their
trip (one he’s longed for for years) to do more investigating – questioning
witnesses, poking holes in Arte's story, figuring out who was the real
Blaster creator, putting together a timeline and actually putting off a
willing and eager Laura.
And how does
Steele know, because the blue pencil on the panels doesn’t make sense–
and how does he know – he’s had a spot of commercial art training. I love
that they used once again one of their leads talents in the show. Steele
knows about commercial art because once upon a time Pierce was a commercial
artist. I’m just wondering how Steele’s dabbling with commercial art fits
in his time line – did it come before or after boxing, fire breathing,
gold prospecting or smuggling?
I love the
walkie talkie surveillance scene– from Steele using their comic strip names
and Laura starting to and then stopping herself – to Steele’s wandering
binoculars and convenient space heater to their little talk about the future
scenario at the ski lodge.
Laura pulls
out a movie reference with the Psycho House (though it’s a stretch
to believe that she could name the studio) and they wind up tumbling down
the stairs at the hands of a woman with a knife just like the detective
in the film – although Laura is lucky to just hurt her foot -- poor Martin
Balsam in the film broke his neck.
This is a rare
episode where we get 3 film references -- Psycho, Gaslight and How
To Murder Your Wife. I wonder what the record is in one episode? Yuliya
probably has it in Counts Of Steele on her site. What's even better is
that none are tenuous -- they’re all very appropriate and fitting.
In the end
though it sadly turns out as it always does, they don't go away together
though Laura makes sure to saddle er generously provide him with a chaperon
who'll chase off any ski bunnies er keep him company. Couldn’t she have
gone to the lodge and just sipped hot buttered rum (a tradition but yes
it sounds disgusting) in front of the fire with Mr Steele? Who needs to
actually ski? This entire episode is proof positive that diligence and
hard work never pays off – if he’d ignored his suspicions and need to tie
up details he’d have finally prevailed in the vacation sweepstakes. ;-)
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by attagrrrl (Sat Nov 18 2006 00:58:44 ) |
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I've never
figured up my top 20, but to me this episode is a solid 9 (out of 10).
The mystery is clever, and there is a lot of focus on the relationship,
with a charming role reversal. What more can you ask for?
First off,
I like the way the episode is structured, moving back and forth from the
comic to the parallel events in "real life." That's neat. And especially
at the end when Arte is faced with Mr. Steele's prophetic drawings accusing
him of the murder. Along with the music, the drawings create a very creepy
mood.
I find Arte
pretty convincing as the feckless guy who thinks everyone who likes him
hates him and everyone who hates him likes him. The only one who says he
has a way with women is Cindy, who is the mastermind behind the scam and
is trying to put him above suspicion. We don't necessarily have to believe
her. But I guess we are supposed to believe that Laura has a bit of a soft
spot for him since she briefly defends him against Steele's accusations.
I remember
the first time or two that I watched this episode I was surprised by the
plot twist. The idea that Arte would hire the Steele agency so that he
could kill Raymond Kelly with impunity is --well, it's not original because
variations on that theme were used a few times on the show, but it works
well because it gives the agency an extra stake in the mystery. Try to
use Steele and Laura as patsies, eh? Well think again. The Gaslight scheme
at the end is a little rushed, but the effect is nice and creepy, if not
completely logical.
My favorite
thing about this episode is the banter and game playing between Laura and
Steele. By making a romantic weekend into a challenge, he finally hooks
Laura. He finally figures her out. And I have to say I think there's a
little truth to what she says about him getting cold feet when he becomes
so obsessed with the case. Unconsciously he may in fact be stalling.
At least everyone
seems to appreciate the charm of the walkie talkie scene. "Dashing Dave
to Dollface..." It's so cute.
There are so
many great Laura moments in this episode. Her indignation at having the
"ditz with the Orphan Annie eyes" modeled after her is quite understandable.
This is how the public sees her. But hey, at least she wasn't "Unidentified
Woman" this time. Her responses to Steele's implicit dare are endearing
throughout the episode, especially the little snort just before she shows
him the plane tickets. And how cute does she look in that hat? The coy
line "Don't bet on it, Mr. Steele," at the very end is also just adorable.
Another favorite
Laura scene is when Steele challenges her to drive down Malibu Canyon without
brakes. It's one of those moments that makes you remember SHE IS CRAZY!
In a brave, heroic sort of way, as long as you overlook the reckless endangerment
of everyone else on the road.
Of course,
there are also a few things about this episode that bug me: First, Mr.
Steele just happens to be reading The Blaster at the exact moment when
Arte walks in? Ooookay. It would have made a lot more sense if Arte had
had an appointment. (I like it later when Mr. Steele says he will "have
to take a look at it sometime," as though he's too famous and sophisticated
to read comics.)Also, Steele's commercial art training is a rather mundane
addition to his list of former professions.
The very ending
is also a little too coincidental and doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
How does Cindy know Arte will be at Raymond Kelly's? Did she follow Laura
and Steele? If so, why not drop the gargoyle on them instead of Arte?
Two other annoying
things: Laura's use of French words. I hate when people say French words
with a pretentious accent, and she has at least three in this episode.
Also, when
Steele explains what happened to Laura at the end as though she wasn't
there. Exposition is why we have Mildred.
Well, that's
my story and I'm sticking to it. Some flaws, yes, but a truly underrated
episode. It looks like I'm going to alternate weekly between defending
and criticizing episodes, so next week is time to do one I don't like.
Steele Spawning, anyone? |
by TeenSteele (Sat Nov 18 2006 01:25:40 ) |
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well everyone,
I watched it and made some notes. Be nice, I'm a firs time note-poster
...
Well, it's
a neat intro, but we can HEAR Arte braking when he's riding down Malibu
Canyon. And really, who on earth has THAT many files?! Typical Steele behaviour,
tells Mildred not to disturb him when he's merely reading comics. Seriously,
who laughs out loud, THAT loud, when reading newspaper comics? They must
have really been funny because Mr.Steele has good taste, and most newspaper
comics aren't that good.!
Orphan Annie
eyes lol! and dashing dave? more like stupendous steele with his "steeley
blue eyes" *sigh* so true, you can say that again. Aww, Laura was Junior
Downhill Champ when she was 10. And I LOVE Remy's Rayban glasses. I went
out and got myself a pair after I saw him wear them for the first time
:)
"We're here
to see Raymond Kelly, not Norman Bates" Hehe, I liked that quote, very
cute and Steeley.
I really loved
how Laura showed she was a step ahead of him by handing him (with a smirky
face) the "open return" tickets
"Dashing Dave
to Dollface. Come in Dollface" Oh my gosh! I loved the walkie talkie scene!
"..Big warm *ACHOO*...handkerchief" That's pretty much the closest thing
to phone sex we'll ever get between them lol.
Arte sure is
nice for being a murderer. What with drawing his detectives a picture of
them all while taking time out of his busy killing schedule to do so. Also,
he should consider a career in acting! I mean did we not see him fake cry
not once, but TWICE! First time after the "accident" when he kills Ray,
then the second time at Ray's funeral.
Those were
UBER good drawings that Remy did to give to Arte. That man has some fine
motor skills, which he may feel free to use on me. Also, even though I
knew it was coming, that 'Pyscho' scene on the stairs still made me jump
lol, but I WAS sitting in the dark...
All in all,
I do enjoy watching this episode occasionally. Perhaps though, the reason
is because I really do have a soft spot for all things cartoon, or uh,
"graphic novel" I should say. Nice R/L interaction, but not very much of
it :(
OKAY, so theres
my first little review, hope you all enjoy.
Signed, Steeled
and delivered,(i'm yours, lol)
TeenSteele
"You
lived with a man who wears white belts? Am I disappointed"
CR 11/17/06 |
by brenda_grace2u (Sat Nov 18 2006 07:07:16 ) |
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This has never
been one of my favorite episodes, and I was all set to trash it this morning.
But then I read all of your posts and I have to admit you have made some
great points and you have changed my mind.
Usually my
notes are at least a full page long. This time just 7 lines. I just didn't
find that much to comment on, but here goes...
I know I have
seen Mary Beth Evans/Cindy somewhere before, but I can't place her. I know
I am ON the IMDB site I could go look it up, but I'm just not that interested.
Who is Jean
Claude? Steele says that he and Jean Claude go shushing sometimes, but
I can't for the life of me remember him ever talking about him before.
I did really
enjoy Laura not so subtlely inviting herself on the trip. She fell for
his ploy hook line and sinker. Although I think that she saw right through
his plan and decided to play along. By this point in the releationship,
these two have become masters of saying what they don't mean and meaning
what they don't say. Oh, how fun it is to watch them play their little
games.
I may be wrong
here, but in the early 80's did phone sex even exist? I think these two
may have been breaking new ground with the "walkie talkie sex". Of course,
as usual, they never made it to the good part. =)
For me, I thought
the main plot of this episode was paper thin. I knew by the end of the
1st act that Arte was the bad guy, the only surprise was that Cindy was
in on it too.
There were
a lot of clever lines in this one, but my favorite was in the rabbit speeding
down the hill. Laura is on the verge of killing them both and Steele calmly
says..."Break with descretion please Laura". I think this was one of those
moments when he comes face to face with her wild side and isn't too sure
he likes it.
And finally,
I agree that Arte's revised "doll face" looks nothing like Laura, but Steele's
is dead on!! I wonder if that was done on purpose?
All in all,
not a bad episode, just not one that makes me go....Oh I want to watch
THAT one!! But I might watch bits and pieces that are cute.
So, what's
on tap for next week??? My vote is for "Steele knuckels and glass jaws"
Just because I want to talk about Stephanie singing. |
by everglade68 (Sat Nov 18 2006 07:20:39 ) |
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Hi TeenSteele:
Can't believe
that you are only "almost 17 yrs. old". Your
review of
Illustrated Steele is excellent, even though I don't like this episode.
You come across
as a mature, intelligent teenager, who of course, has
excellent
taste. So glad that you are in our group.
Isabel |
by DCZinger (Sat Nov 18 2006 07:42:43 ) |
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Yes, Teensteele...Your
review was excellent and saved me a lot of writing! Thank YEW!
To add to everybody's
excellent posting on this story.
I wanna know
HOW the three of them went down that staircase with that HUUUUGE knife
and NOBODY got cut!
I can't help
but think in this eppie....WHY is Kayla Brady from Days of Our Lives the
bad girl? It was distracting. Sorry Mary Beth.
I also can't
buy Artie being that attractive to all those women. From the get go he
was too geeky/creepy for me. I guess it was his fish face.
I thought the
portrait he gave Remington and Laura at the funeral was just plain AWFUL.
Didn't look a BIT like the two of them. Dashing Dave definitely looks like
Steele....and Dollface does have Laura's hair.
I agree with
the pp that Laura could JUST have gone along and sat in the lodge with
a big mug of mulled wine. It would have been funny to see her fend off
the ski bunnies from Steele and Steele fend off the Jean Claude Killy-wannabees
from Laura. But she's got those files....sigh. I do buy Laura having all
of those files.
DCZinger |
by jrdedrick (Sat Nov 18 2006 08:40:30 ) |
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| Well
done TeenSteele! I told you, you could do it!
Neeney
Smile, it makes
people wonder what you're up to! ![[biggrin]](biggrin.gif) |
by jrdedrick (Sat Nov 18 2006 08:44:18 ) |
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Thanks Isabel.
I really don't do anything, just take notes like in school. Only its easier
to do it with the DVD's cuz you can stop and rewind when you don't get
something the first time.
Neeney
Smile, it makes
people wonder what you're up to! ![[biggrin]](biggrin.gif) |
by Xenos1981 (Sat Nov 18 2006 08:57:20 ) |
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Ladies, ladies,
ladies. I have to get here sooner. You've all said everything that needs
to be said. TeenSteele..."That man has some fine motor skills, which
he may feel free to use on me." You sound like me! LOL! TOTALLY agree
with you!
Like everyone
else...I LOVED the walkie-talkie (almost) sex. (And there was something
else you could have substituted for the missing "kiss" at the end of Remington's
attempted seduction!)
Really enjoyed
the "Dashing Dave" and "Doll Face" thing. Very noir-ish. Cute!!!
Loved the role
reversal...As I've stated tirelessly before, I LOVE it when Laura's the
aggressor in their relationship! Yes, Remington tricked her into it, but
GOOD FOR HIM!!! Love the body language between the two when they're in
the limo...a sign of EXCELLENT acting. Turn the volume down and you can
still figure out the dynamics of the two and what's going on.
One thing that
hasn't been mentioned are the clothes. This isn't one of my favorite episodes
for nice clothes, but I have to say...Stephanie looks GREAT in red. OK,
the outfit was totally 80s, but that's definitely her color. And Pierce
ALWAYS looks freakin' hot in a blue dress shirt (which normally I'm indifferent
to)! It brings out the blue in his eyes (as if he really needs to). Is
it getting hot in here?! Oh, and I loved when Laura was in her little ski
bunny outfit sitting on his desk. How cute was she?! And at the end when
Remington is leaning over her desk with his ski jacket on...WOOF!!!
I also thought
the episode was shot well...the cartoon/reality back-and-forth was a nice
touch.
HUH? Moment:
How a little thing like Cindy was able to push a stone gargoile off the
roof. Yeah. OK. Suspension of disbelief.
Good episode
all around. (Sorry, Isabel!)
Xenos |
by picac (Sat Nov 18 2006 09:01:28 ) |
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Jean Claude
Killy was a famous French World & Olympic ski champion from the late
60s who then became even more famous endorsing ski equipment. It's Steele
jet set name dropping as he did when he referred to playing polo with "Charles"
but not as much after he was married in Tempered.
I'd assume
Steele took some commercial art training either as part of an elaborate
con or maybe for a brief time in his previous life he tried to use one
of his talents in the very straight and narrow and it just didn't work
out. He would probably have become bored or saw something shiny somewhere
he'd rather have fun doing or stealing. Is this the first time we actually
see that he can draw? He uses an easel and paints as part of his cover
in Red Holt Steele but we don't get any close look at the painting
that I'm aware of and it's not discussed. Of course there are those legendary
napkin doodles -- but we don't get to see those either. Drats.
The invention
of phone sex probably happened right after Alexander Grahmn Bell invented
the phone. :D
Forgot to add,
I completely agree about how cool the insertion of the comic panels as
foreshadowing in the episode was. Very inventive. |
by everglade68 (Sat Nov 18 2006 09:04:01 ) |
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No need to
apologize Xenos, I am sure that there will be other episodes that
we will disagree
on. BTW, is there any ep that you dislike? Just wondering?
Isabel |
by picac (Sat Nov 18 2006 09:28:51 ) |
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He started
work as a commerical artist trainee in Putney when he left school at 15.
His stated then dream was to be a commercial artist that would create wild
album covers but he's said it was basically drawing furniture and watering
the office spider plants. Then when he was about 17 he was invited along
to a theater work shop at the Oval House one night, loved it and kept going
until he was there all the time and soon became the youngest member of
the theater troupe. He left commerical art because to quote Pierce he then
needed to just have filler jobs that he "could do either in the morning
or in the late evening" to supplement his income. |
by DCZinger (Sat Nov 18 2006 09:49:28 ) |
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| "I
did really enjoy Laura not so subtlely inviting herself on the trip. She
fell for his ploy hook line and sinker. Although I think that she saw right
through his plan and decided to play along. By this point in the releationship,
these two have become masters of saying what they don't mean and meaning
what they don't say."
Which is WHY
I'm convinced that in Bonds of Steele, Clarissa was a ploy to put Norman
Keye's off Laura's tail ( so to speak) AND also get Laura to say "Wait
a minute...if you marry anyone, you marry ME!! Initially, THAT line WAS
in the script, but Stephanie and Pierce didn't like it and Michael agreed.
Hence what we saw.
DCZinger |
by attagrrrl (Sat Nov 18 2006 10:00:36 ) |
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Just to respond
to a couple things people have said:
I think Arte
crying may not be all acting. Yes, he's a good actor to pull off this elaborate
plan, but he also may really admire Raymond Kelly and feel bad about killing
him. I get the sense that Cindy was the mastermind, and Arte was just doing
what she said and maybe didn't really want to kill him.
RE phone sex:
Picac said exactly what I was going to say. I'm sure phone sex has been
around since the invention of the phone! |
by picac (Sat Nov 18 2006 10:12:12 ) |
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I have no
idea if those drawings were done by Pierce. Though I'd assume not because
usually detailed stuff like that is taken care of by the graphics/art dept
because it's not a quick job.
I don't think
Arte felt anything at all akin to respect or caring for Raymond Kelly.
Otherwise he wouldn't have been sleeping with his wife as well as trying
to usurp his comic strip (though can't blame him for that when he was now
doing all the work) and murder him. Cindy may have been the mastermind
but I don't doubt that Arte saw Kelly as an obstacle to be removed. An
interesting aspect about getting rid of Raymond was that Arte could shine
on his own -- it's rather like a much darker more twisted mirror of Steele
and Laura that we got a peak into in one of Laura's dreams in Dreams
of Steele. :D It's also a variation on a theme used in Etched
and Grappling of an artist/performer wanting to get out from under
the thumb that used their talents and would ruin or impede their own career. |
by Xenos1981 (Sat Nov 18 2006 11:18:49 ) |
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To answer
your question, Isabel...Yes, there
is a Remington Steele episode
I don't like -- "Springtime For Steele". ICK! Too much Rocky...Not enough
romance. BLUCK! (Even the awful fifth season had good points in each episode,
although I haven't watched any episode from that season more than once
since I bought the DVDs.)
Xenos |
by DCZinger (Sat Nov 18 2006 11:33:51 ) |
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I'm with YOU
Xenos. "Springtime" is in my Bottom Eight, along with Illustrated and also
in no particular order:
The Steele
that Wouldn't Die--from the moment that Juan started singing "Laura", I
knew the show was a lost cause and I started throwing stuff at the TV.
It got even worse once Tony showed up.
Steele Blue
Yonder-though I understand that it was incomplete because Jimmy Stewart
wasn't in it.
A Pocketful
of Steele--Jackie was just toooo annoying for me. Bad casting here. I think
another kid without that ridiculous hair would have made the show better.
Sorry Meeno.
Breath of Steele:
Tony and Terri. Gag. Gag. I WANTED the hit man to get them!
Steele on the
Air...Ditto those DJ's. Phew!
The parts of
Steeled with a Kiss that had Tony,Marissa and the Russians. The scenes
with Laura, Steele and Daniel were fine. There was too much Tony, Marissa
and the Russians.
I think in
all of these cases, we had characters that were just plain annoying. It's
okay to be annoying and funny...a la George Edward Mulch...but Rocky Sullivan,
Jackie, Tony, those DJ's, Tony and Terri, were simply annoying.
Still only
8 stinkers out of 94 episodes is excellent!
DCZinger
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by everglade68
(Sat Nov 18 2006 13:52:09 ) |
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Zinker, you
and I think alike. Your list, of the 8 episodes that you dislike,
is just perfect
for my taste. I bet your top ten are also similar to mine.
Isabel
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by DCZinger (Sat Nov 18 2006 15:07:37 ) |
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I'm starting
another thread on this topic Izzy..
DCZinger |
by TeenSteele (Sat Nov 18 2006 15:59:16 ) |
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aw hey you
guys are so nice :) And I gotta say, I liked George Edward Mulch. He's
a pretty funny, harmless guy. When I saw him on My Big Fat Greek Wedding
I was all "OMYGOSH REMINGTON!!" and everyone else was like "oh man, she's
been smoking again" lol.
I'm getting
SO addicted again (which is why i left before haha) whenever I come back
after a day, or even a few hours there have been SO many posts and I feel
like i've missed so much!
"You
lived with a man who wears white belts? Am I disappointed"
CR 11/17/06 |
by attagrrrl (Sat Nov 18 2006 23:20:16 ) |
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it's rather
like a much darker more twisted mirror of Steele and Laura that we got
a peak into in one of Laura's dreams in Dreams of Steele."
Oooh, I hadn't
thought of that. I like it. |
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