| SOTW:
Episode #40- Dreams Of Steele |
by
everglade68 (Fri Jul 27 2007) |
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| Xenos is out with
friends having some well-deserved fun and has asked me to start our new
SOTW thread, Dreams of Steele. Probably not the dreams you and I had, but
all well....looking forward to reading your comments.
Isabel |
by
MickeyBoggs (Fri Jul 27 2007) |
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| Isabel, I'd already
typed up my remarks when I read your second sentence there. I promise I
didn't copy it! [[smile]]
I remember anticipating this episode
and then being disappointed because the dreams they had were not the ones
I WANTED them to have! But the episode has grown on me after several viewings
and Brian Alan Lane is still one of my favorite writers. Lots of little
double entendres in this script too.
Memorable Stuff
- The whole opening scene threw me
a bit off-balance the first time I saw it. I think it was when I saw the
newspaper headlines when I figured out it wasn't real. I still crack up
a Laura punching out the face of the cardboard cutout Mr. Steele then turning
it around to reveal Laura Holt, PI on the other side.
- Love how she smacks the down-on-his-luck
Mr. Steele on the tush as she walks past him.
- The poor Rabbit. It's been abused
3 weeks in a row now.....
- Love how, without even knowing
the depth of the lagoon, Laura dives right in to get the lavulite
- Clarissa's (the 2nd of the 3 Clarissas)
assumption that she was interrupting a, um, magical moment when she goes
to Steele's apartment and finds him coming out of the bedroom putting on
his belt!
- The sea snakes! Something I remembered
even years later. Kudos to Steph for swimming with them!
- The whole Rem-in-boxers, pregnant-Laura
dream. I didn't like it the first time around, but I enjoy it now. And
it looks like they're having fun with it. (And he pays back the tush smack!)
Character Development
- How far they've come in 1.75 seasons.
Laura has no qualms trusting Mr. Steele with protecting the lavulite. She
even tells him so, very casually, like it's something she's now taking
for granted.
- She's still curious about his
past, but no longer desperate to know aboout it.
- Love Steele's first dream where
he's sold the lavulite. I crack up at how he imagines Laura throwing herself
at him. (I also got a kick out of Steph's wandering left hand as she's
kneeling down in front of him!) Then Steele turns around and there she
is with her hand on that sailor's tushie! Yeah, he'd definitely like to
see Wild Laura more often outside of his dreams!
- After Clarissa's assumption that
she may have interrupted R&L at his apartment, it's nice to see Laura
not immediately get defensive and try to explain and it's nice to see Steele
give the real explanation as to what happened and just move on to the next
topic.
- Steele's past includes a chemin
de fer player in Nice. I chuckle at Laura's catty remark about the game
to the sea snakes.
- Mr. Steele must truly be engrossed
in the case. Laura suggests showers and a change of clothes and he doesn't
even make a remark about conserving water by showering together!
- The whole scene inside the coffin.
Laura's real concern is not his competence but putting her fate in someone
else's hands. His admission that he's stuck around for the reality of their
relationship, not just the promise of what it might become. They need more
time on this subject!
Favorite lines
L: I knew I could count on you, Mr.
Steele.
R: Trust, that's all I've ever asked
Laura. Well, trust and a new suit every now and again.
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Dream L: Please Mr. Steele, please!
Your leaving forced me to evaluate my life and I realized that I was ready
to make emotional commitments after all.
Dream R: And have you?
Dream L: Many times! Three in the
last hour as a matter of fact.
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R: Like the man says, it's a case
of bark vs. bite.
L: Lest you be fooled, Mr. Steele,
I have been know to nip.
R: One can only hope, Miss Holt.
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M: Any luck, Mr. Steele?
R: Indeed, Mildred, all of it bad.
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Dream L: Whaddya say lover? When
it comes to ball games, do you want to be an observer or a participant?
(LOL!!)
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R (to cremation techs): You ought
to think about using microwaves. Far more fuel efficient.
Hair & Clothing
- Like their evening clothes in the
opening scene
- Like Laura's white suit, though
not crazy about the hairdo or the glasses
- Laura's pink outfit with the white
vest is nice too
- The red jacket is one of the few
things Steele wears that I'm just not crazy about. I can't put my finger
on what it is though I think perhaps it's that it's too loud. When we see
bright colors on him it's usually as ties or handkerchiefs, not the shirt
or jacket itself.
- I like Laura's blue jacket with
the white blouse & trousers. (It appears she has on a swimsuit under
it after she finishes her "swim"). And its recuperative powers are amazing.
She (and her hair) look awfully good when they arrive back at RSI. :)
- The reappearance of Pierce's medallion.
I know it means something to him, but it's just so 70s looking...
- The burglary clothes, as usual,
look smashing.
- Steele's funeral suit and the
Ray-Bans...yes!
Goofs, Headscratchers & Misc
- Don't know if it's a regular occurrence,
but this is the first time I noticed that the Rabbit doesn't have a rear-view
mirror. Side mirrors, yes, rear-view mirror, no.
- They pull the Rabbit off the road
into the construction zone and stop at a little overlook. They get out
of the car and Laura says "Nice voo!". No, I didn't misspell that. Tongue
get twisted, Steph? Made me laugh, at any rate.
- Lavulite - "So blue they're like
pieces of the sky". So why are they much more purple in Beg, Borrow or
Steele? I know the purple is more their real color, just one more bit of
artistic license I suppose.
- Continuity: L&R knock on Archie
Doak's door and the doorknob is on the left side of the door. In the next
scene inside Archie's apartment, the doorknob is on the other side of the
door!
- More continuity: L&R get in
the coffin and it closes on their left side. The coffin gets put into the
furnace with the lock facing out (so their left side is facing out) When
they rock the coffin out of the flames and it falls open, the opening is
on their right such that the coffin lid falls to the floor.
- Thanks to the fanfic writers who
filled us in on what Mr. Steele was thinking as he sat with Laura in her
hospital room! |
by
sweetnes3485 (Fri Jul 27 2007) |
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| As usual, a fun
post from Ms. Boggs!
"Thanks to the fanfic writers who
filled us in on what Mr. Steele was thinking as he sat with Laura in her
hospital room!"
- Mickey, can you please tell me
which fanfic this one is, which website it is on, and who wrote it. I would
love to read it! Ha.
Rocket J Squirrel
"Hokey, smoke ... well, they don't
call him Wrongway Peachfuzz for nothing!" |
by
MickeyBoggs (Sat Jul 28 2007) |
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| I'm having a hard
time finding them, RJS, but I'll keep looking. In the meantime, if anyone
else finds the link, please post it! |
by
Xenos1981 (Mon Jul 30 2007) |
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| Ladies, ladies…Lovely
ladies. I’m back, I’ve recovered from a SteeleWatchers bash in Milwaukee
and I’m rarin’ to write about one of my favorite episodes, Dreams Of Steele,
written by one of my favorite RS writers – Brian Alan Lane.
First off…Gotta tip my hat (once
again) to Mr. Lane. First, he gave us Steele Framed. OMG, what a great
episode! The introduction of my favorite RS villin, Major Descoine! (Not
to mention a stubbly and wrung-out Mr. Steele who looked sexy as hell,
and the luscious “Couldn’t you treat me like this when I’m less near death?”
scene!!!) Then he gave us My Fair Steele. Remington in a towel!!! Oh-ho-ho,
yeh-heh-hes!!! (THANK YOU, Mr. Lane!!!) *fanning myself* Next…Elegy In
Steele. The Major AND The Minor!!! SWEET!!! And now, Dreams Of Steele.
OMG!!! I freakin’ LOVE this episode! So, so funny! Definitely in my Top
Ten. (You other ladies – you know who you are – can have Sakmar and Lenhart.
I’ll take BAL any day! And Michael Gleason, too! Of course PB trumps ‘em
all, but that’s a given…Pierce trumps EVERYBODY!)
On to the episode…LOVED the opening
dream. Typical Laura being overlooked. And in her subconscious, she probably
DID want to get her due and stick it to Remington (just a little)…She wanted
to get all the accolades Mr. Steele always got for solving the case. Good
for her…But poor Mr. Steele!!! LOVED how he was so snobbish about the veal
marsala. LOL! Shades of Season One Mr. Steele. Also LOVED how he went to
adjust the mic for her while she was on the rampage. Always the gentleman,
our Mr. Steele. The newspaper headlines were a hoot. Very reminiscent of
old movies. And when Laura smacked Remington’s tushie…OMG!!! LOL!!! (I’ve
wanted to do the same thing…but in a different setting!) [[bigeek]]
I LOVED how Laura and Remington just
seem to be so comfy around each other now, both personally and professionally.
From Laura sleeping on Remington’s couch to trusting him with the Royal
Lavulite. (That’s another reason I love BAL….I think he really knew the
series and incorporated parts of past episodes into his writing…The Royal
Lavulite, Ben Pearson.) Now if only they could have been comfy around each
other intimately…*sigh* LOVED that Laura doesn’t even bother asking Mr.
Steele what the combination to the briefcase is. She really TRUSTS him
now!!! (Yay, Laura!) It’s cute, though, how she still tries to find out
what his real name is. (Steph looked really great in that pink outfit…And
her hair looked fabulous…Especially since she’d been sleeping on it!)
Again…The Rabbit takes a lickin’
and keeps on tickin’!!! Gotta get me one of those cars!!!
LOVED Remington’s dream…Him in a
white dinner jacket *drooling uncontrollably* at the casino. OMG, OMG,
OMG!!! (If I could get it to flash, I would!!!) My Lord, he’s a good-looking
man!!! Don’t know how Laura managed to keep her hands off of him for so
long!!! Oh, wait…She didn’t…At least not in Mr. Steele’s dream anyway…Check
out where her hand was!!! OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG!!! (I think
the boob-grabbing scene from “Steele In The Chips” was his payback for
her feeling him up in this scene!) O…M…G!!! OK, I gotta stop thinking about
that, otherwise I’ll just keep typing OMG. Focus, Xenos, focus. Deep breath.
Nope. Not working. Don’t have a bucket of cold water around…Oh, wait. I
got it…TONY ROSELLI!!! *shudder* OK. Better now. What the heck kind of
a cigarette was Laura smoking?!?! It looked green. And her outfit was hysterical…Though
it was a turn-on for the XenosHubby. MEN!!! Awesomely funny dialog…
Laura: I've searched the world for
you, Mr. Steele…Venice, Cairo, Mozambique. But I was always a step behind.
Remington: Some things never change,
do they? [LOL! TOTALLY his dream!]
Laura: Please, Mr. Steele! Please!
You're leaving forced me to re-evaluate my life! I realized that perhaps
I was ready to make emotional commitments after all!
Remington: And have you?
Laura: Many times…Three in the last
hour, as a matter of fact. But YOU'RE the one I want – YOU'RE the one I
need! Please take me back, Mr. Steele! Take me back!
…And then she ends up on the counter
with a sailor feeling up his backside. LOL!!! Poor Mr. Steele!!! (Bet Steph
had a great time with this episode. A lot of “grab a**” as David Letterman
would say. Hee-heeeeeee!!!)
OK, this episode just keeps getting
better and better. MR. STEELE ZIPPING UP HIS PANTS!!! (IN MY DREAMS!!!
LOL!) Laura, Laura, Laura!!! Oh, honey!!! *shaking head in disbelief*
LOVED the whole sea snakes/chemin
de fer thing. Very funny…Very well written…Very well acted. My fedora’s
off to Stephanie for actually getting in a tank with those things… *shudder*
Good Lord!!! (That was the clincher for the XenosHubby…Fan for life…Beautiful
woman AND ballsy!!! LOL!) LOVED this little exchange…
Remington: Attractive creatures.
Reminds me of a woman I used to know in Nice…Of course, she was blonde.
Hayden Institute Man: Well, I don't
know about your woman in Nice, but one bite from these guys, and you'd
be dead before you can say 'Ouch!'.
Laura: A blonde in Nice?
Remington: Yes. World class player
of chemin de fer.
Laura: And yet you prefer to remain
here?
Remington: Well, like the man says,
it's a question of bark versus bite.
Laura: Lest you be fooled, Mr. Steele,
I have been known to nip.
Remington: One can only hope, Miss
Holt.
…LOL!!! What can I say? Again…Poor
Mr. Steele!!! (Oh, and I also really like the outfit Steph was wearing…The
white shirt and pants with the blue blazer. Classic.)
OK…Is it me or do Pierce’s eyes look
bluer than blue when they’re back in the office after Laura’s swim with
the snakes?!?! Maybe it’s because of the white bandage, his black hair
and his blue shirt. I don’t know, but hubba-hubba-hubba!!! *growl*
And then comes my favorite scene…THE
SHOWER SCENE!!! (“Pull back…Pull back!” I always scream at the TV. Darn
cameramen. You can tell the episode was directed by a man…A woman director
would have ordered them to pull back…WAY BACK!!! Oh-ho-ho, yeh-heh-hes!!!)
There aren’t enough OMG’s to cover this scene! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! And
the dream that follows is freakin’ hysterical!!! I love everything about
that dream…Mr. Steele’s boxers and robe…Laura’s HUGE belly and curlers…Remington
setting the remote on her stomach as if it’s a piece of furniture…Mildred
dating a Count…Laura being bored by Mr. Steele’s past…Mr. Steele's NORA
tattoo...And, of course, Laura being so horny (hee-heeeeeee)!!! (It’s about
time, honey!!!) All just priceless!!! (Again, I like how BAL wrote the
dreams to not only be funny but to dip a little into their psyche. NICE!!!)
OK, Judith…Gotta ask…The remote scene
COULDN’T have been written that way, could it?!?! “Oh, Nora! Nora, you're
sitting on my…" It just happened, right? And they both stayed in character
and finished the scene? RIGHT?! Don’t know why I need to know this…But
I do. (I’m so pathetic.)
The Ocean’s Eleven scene always makes
me laugh. It’s just the look on Remington’s face after he sings. SO FUNNY!!!
(And, OMG, does Pierce look delectable in his black break-in clothes!!!
ALL his clothes look fabulous on him! Steph looks great, too, of course.
This was a really great episode for both Pierce and Stephanie clothing-wise.)
LOVED the coffin scene. "Do you ever have dreams, Laura? About us? About
our lives?" YES!!! Keep talking, keep talking!!! Damn those coffin-burning
men!!! It was just getting good!!!
Really liked how the mystery all
came together…and ended in poop. LOL! Very clever. Gross…But clever. Funny
how Clarissa has Mildred’s number. "Don't kid a kidder, Mr. Steele. Miss
Krebs wouldn't harm a fly." True. And, of course, you all know by now that
I have a problem with Stephanie fighting. It never looks real. (I blame
that on her being too much of a lady to get into a scuffle in real life.)
This fight is just as bad as the others. And Judith Light is a sucky fighter,
too! Come on, ladies!!! Punch like you mean it!!! LOL! LOVED the panic
in Mr. Steele’s voice as he screams Laura’s name when he realizes she fell
over the balcony.
Also LOVED the end dream. Too funny!!!
(Again, props to Mr. Lane for knowing Mr. Steele well enough to write a
blonde in every dream sequence and to have the woman in Nice be blonde,
too.)
SUCH a great episode!!! Love, LOVE,
LOVE it!!!
Thanks for reading!
Xenos
Mamma Mia!!! Pierce Brosnan…Proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy! |
by
jrdedrick (Mon Jul 30 2007) |
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| ROFL!!! Leave
it to Xenos to get us drooling sufficiently!
I love this episode. It's not a very
favorite but it's one I'd watch over others. The dreams were a bit corny
but it was fun to see the Royal Lavulite again.
Neeney |
by
everglade68 (Mon Jul 30 2007) |
|
Xenos, only 17
OMG's, are you sure this episode doesn't deserve more?
After a real bad day, starting with
my house key getting stuck in the keyhole,
your post gave me a great laugh.
It was great. Thank you so much.
Isabel |
by
Xenos1981 (Mon Jul 30 2007) |
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| 17 OMGs?!?! 17?!?!
That number must be ingrained in my subconscious!!! LOL!!! You know what
I'm thinkin'...Say it with me, girls...
Scene 17...Unrated version...Widescreen
edition!!!
Heh-heh-heh!!!
Xenos
Mamma Mia!!! Pierce Brosnan...Proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy! |
by
dragonflygreen11 (Mon Jul 30 2007) |
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| Hmmm...I have
only seen this episode once, and I was kind of disturbed by the dreams,
though I liked the Royal Lavulite showing back up again. Obviously have
to give this one closer consideration, since it seems to be one of those
that grows on people. Currently I only own Season 1, though. Must wait
until I am more solvent to buy the rest and review.
Susanna |
by
picac (Tue Jul 31 2007) |
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| I love this episode
because not only does it give us a first class mystery, some well done
stunts, a few wonderful comic scenarios, some inspired visuals, and witty
writing it also gives us insight into the status of the relationship --
albeit a sometimes disturbing status.
Someone said the dreams disturbed
them and I'll agree in so much as I find Laura's first dream quite disturbing.
The other dreams seem more playful and off kilter and while the situations
are outlandish and bizarre I didn't find them at all mean spirited. I know
what it was going for and there are some humorous touches and visuals in
it but it just seems so angry. I'd call it sublimated anger just getting
a release except her anger and resentment toward Mr. Steele is rarely sublimated,
albeit not publicly vented. There's such a lot of resentment and anger
in that dream - a desire to see him humiliated and ruined, a contemptuous
belief that he's nothing without her that it makes me wonder if their relationship
is at all viable -- especially when she wakes up chuckling in glee about
it then transferring into mild confusion but not to my eye embarrassment
or discomfort. It's the same feeling of what the heck I get from Steele
imagining it's Laura beating confessions of love out of him in Now You
Steele It Now You Don't. They should be wondering what their psyche
is trying to tell them and questioning harder why they're in this relationship.
Steele's casino dream straddles the
line much better between humor and complete relationship destruction. And
while it could be said seeing Laura as an abandoned tramp is akin to Steele
as a skid row bum I just don’t get the same mean spirited vibe off it.
Maybe because Laura is so enjoying being a tramp (LOL!), Steele didn't
cause it directly and he's not flinging money at her nastily and laughing
when she loses it. Steele in the dream doesn't seem to be angry with her
or take pleasure from her dissolution, although aloof and oh so cooly cosmopolitan
he seems genuinely disappointed that it didn't work out. In his dream there's
dialogue about how a man could only wait so long, broken hearts and Laura
not being able to make "emotional" (not sexual) commitments. It also helps
that it has some really funny dialogue and of course the idea that the
Steele's Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm Laura makes emotional commitments by
becoming a nympho is just too funny and SZ plays it for all it's worth.
"There was
a woman, Jacques. I was prepared to forget about the jewels if I could
have had her instead. But a man can only wait so long . . ."
"Better the
jewels. They are always there when you want them. The jewels, they will
never break your heart."
******
"Please, Mr.
Steele! Please! You're leaving forced me to re-evaluate my life! I realized
that perhaps I was ready to make emotional commitments after all!"
He looks down
at her. "And how you?"
"Many times.
"Three in the last hour, as a matter of fact. But YOU'RE the one I want-
YOU'RE the one I need! Please take me back, Mr. Steele! Take me back!".
"There, there,
Miss Bolt," he says, handing her his handkerchief, looking at the blonde
again. "Your rhinestones are getting damp."
It's also a great touch that he's
so discombobulated when he wakes up -- mid driving! -- and gives Laura
a very confused and disconcerted up and down look. He's seems genuinely
disturbed by this dream as he confesses later in the coffin.
The third dream is the best one because
it takes in so many of Steele's fears about their relationship and commitment
and runs them through the funhouse mirror. They've lost their exciting
glamorous jobs and are now living in relative squalor. He's working at
the plant, doing a 9-5 job, he's a slob and his wardrobe has gone to hell,
he's drinking beer and asking for pretzels and turning down sex for the
ball game, Laura is a pregnant frump in curlers under her fedora who lugs
around groceries and fetches his beer, and they have twins. The HORROR!
Worse, while Laura is now clearly desirous of sex he's not that interested
(at least not with her -- a 20 year old blonde is another story) and Laura
is completely uninterested in his mysterious past now that it's no longer
mysterious and not as "kinky" as she expected. LOL These things tap into
the underlying fears of their relationship -- is he only interested in
her sexually because she's said no -- would he bored with her if she said
yes and is Laura only interested in him because he's a mystery and if he
explained himself would his past become boring? If they don’t have their
jobs as detectives is that the end of their exciting lives and the fun
they have together? Is that what holds them together? Etc etc. And all
done with some funny funny funny lines, wardrobe (Pierce in those heart
boxers and sneakers!) and wonderful acting.
The fourth dream says it all. In
the end even if Laura's dead she's rising from the grave to claim what's
hers -- Mr. Steele. And Mr. Steele is amenable even if it means discarding
a more accommodating leggy blonde (who gets around from dream to dream
like the quarter). :D Steele though easily has the two best dreams.
"I don't know
about you, but violence and destruction gives me a hunger."
Gotta love that Mr. Steele right
after being thrown from a car and rolled down a hill takes time to eat
a sandwich.
Laura bobbled the bottle and tosses
smelly stuff all over Mr. Steele and says "Nice catch" as if it's his fault
and not hers.
Steele coming in a room still doing
up his pants. Exhibitionist!
"Lest you be
fooled, Mr. Steele, I have been known to nip."
"One can only
hope, Miss Holt."
My my, Laura's a kinky tease. :p
SZ agreeing to swim with the sea
snakes -- never in a million years would you find Indiana Jones or me agreeing
to such a thing! Yikes! The staging of Steele looking around the office
while Laura swims around in the tank, occasionally looking at it when she's
not in front of the glass then finally bored sitting down --picking up
the book and then noticing her purse and realizing she should be there
as she pounds in panic on the glass -- fantastic! One of the best bits
of physical acting and stunts on the show.
Great touch and continuity that when
Steele goes into the shower he has a huge bruise on his face and as he
enters the dream part in the shower it's gone -- then back again when he
awakes from his dream.
Steele's whole hearted Ocean Eleven's
musical moment and the look of complete confusion that Laura gives him
as if he's finally lost the plot. Brilliant!
Also brilliant is Steele figuring
out the plan for the stones -- not so brilliant that he sees four boxes
and has to slide his finger over the large print and read out the names
of each before he find the one he wants. I know moonlight is murder to
read by but that's ludicrous.
"This is just GREAT.
Four years of college, two years of apprenticeship, three years of building
up the agency, and poof, my license is suspended, and I'm stuck in a coffin
with YOU."
There goes that Laura changeable dates
and history again. Now it's only a year between her leaving Havenhurst
and Steele showing up and only 2 years of apprenticeship for Havenhurst.
(and that's how long Steele's already been with the agency -- so maybe
he could leave and start his own by that criteria?) Unlike Laura it looks
like Gleason and the writing staff were not math majors. ;-)
"So now we're
down to it, eh?"
"You're DAMN
right, we're down to it. I should never have put you in charge of protecting
those jewels."
"And what would
YOU have done differently, Detective Holt?"
"The problem
is not YOUR competence. The problem is that I stupidly went ahead and did
what I'd sworn I'd never do: put my fate in someone else's hands."
"Maybe its
about time you realized we're none of us ever in complete control of our
fates."
Ding Ding Ding! Laura has control
issues. (what's new? ;-)) She wouldn’t have done anything different or
better but she's still angry she wasn't in control and trusted someone
else. Steele's right, no one is ever in complete control of their fates
or their lives. The control issues about her work are the same about their
relationship. She's afraid of what she can't control, she wants guarantees
-- none of which is possible in a relationship or life.
"Do you ever
have dreams, Laura? About us? About our lives?"
"I suppose.
Sometimes."
"I have had
some dreams recently . . . troubling at first, but now I realize they've
helped put some things in perspective."
"And?"
"And, I finally
understand that I've stayed around not for the promise of what our relationship
MIGHT be- but for the reality of what it is."
For someone that supposedly never
talks about their relationship he seems to talk about it quite a bit (well
at least more than his partner) and rather honestly and eloquently here.
I know Mildred wouldn't shoot an
unarmed man but after Clarissa says she's going to kill them all it's hard
to believe she wouldn't at least shoot Clarissa in the leg or even just
fire the gun to scare her! We see by season 4 and the X-mas episode that
she's more than willing to shoot someone who's threatening them.
Fashion:
I like Steele's red jacket, it works
with his dramatic coloring. The grey suit is inoffensive but boring until
he closes the lapels up then it's a good look. Love the white dinner jacket
but that 80s bow tie is so 80s -- just too big. Steele's pinstripe suit
before being doused by smelly swan gack is lovely -- pity it's so short
lived. The break in black clothes -- as usual divine. His dark three piece
funeral suit complete ray bans is gorgeous -- enough to rise from the dead
for. He makes great comical use of his cane.
Laura's sweater and pink ensemble
she's wearing when she wakes up is pretty. Her hair when she wakes up in
fabulous -- so much better than when she has it pulled back off her forehead.
Don't much like her double breasted boxy beige paint suit, the jacket looks
too stiff and square. Her French apache like outfit is a riot. The light
blue jacket over white pants and blouse is very nice. The suit and blouse
she's buried in -- not so hot.
Mildred gets to wear some fun expensive
clothes and furs in this episode. Good for her! |
by
everglade68 (Tue Jul 31 2007) |
|
| I so enjoy reading
the SOTW. I love everyone's comments but have to admit that I eagerly look
forward to the posts from Xenos, Mickey and Ace. After reading so many
of their posts I have noticed a pattern. Their comments remind me of Freud's
Theory of Personality.
The Id (pleasure principle)
XENOS "THE SHOWER SCENE!!! “Pull
back…Pull back!” I always scream at the TV."
The Ego (reality)
MICKEY " How far they've come in
1.75 seasons. Laura has no qualms trusting Mr. Steele with protecting the
lavulite. She even tells him so, very casually, like it's something she's
now taking for granted."
The Super-ego (moral judgment)
ACE " They should be wondering what
their psyche is trying to tell them and questioning harder why they're
in this relationship."
Isabel |
by
picac (Tue Jul 31 2007) |
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| Hey, I can pleasure
principle with the best of them. Afterall my #1 reason to watch is to ogle
Pierce.:D Xenos pretty much covers my thoughts about the camera in the
shower scene, and oh to be a droplet of water. ;-) |
by
auroracat-1 (Wed Aug 1 2007) |
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| As for LH's first
dream, you gotta remember that the writers of the show were trying for
a romantic comedy mystery. I doubt they put that much thought into LH's
emotional motivation. I think they were just trying to play up the original
premise of the show in that LH needs the RS persona to be successful because
no one wants to hire a female private investigator. Once again she is in
the background (unknow associate) and RS is in the spot light. And just
once LH would like some recognition and accolades. It's not RS personally
that she is angry with but the world for being chauvinist.
At least that's my take on it!
Denise |
by
sugarjilly (Wed Aug 1 2007) |
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| Isabel,
I really liked this post of yours!!!
Made me laugh!
Jill |
by
picac (Wed Aug 1 2007) |
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| Usually they were
content to glide along on the romantic/comedy/mystery level but here they
seemed to try for something a little different even if it was all cloaked
with comedic fantasies/dreams. While none of the dreams can be taken literally
(as our own can't) all the dreams were about their relationship at some
level. Her dream isn't about general chauvanism, otherwise she'd be attacking
clients or the press. It is very much about her resentment for Steele taking
her spotlight. We already know that resentment exists and here it's distilled
into actual hate. All her anger is directed at Steele -- it's Steele's
cardboard face she punches out, Steele she denounces in front of the public,
Steele she demands to get arrested, Steele she meanly tosses a coin at
or rather tosses it into a grate and then laughs maniacally as he scrabbles
for it. It's a mean spirited and rather nasty dream about someone she's
partners with and supposedly in love with. I find it unpleasant and disturbing
and if the writers didn't intend it to be - and I don't think they did
to that degree - then it's a clunker in terms of writing and characterization. |
by
edr1109 (Wed Aug 1 2007) |
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| I think there
is more than one way to look at it. There is no definitive interpretation.
I do not think that Laura was a mean-spirited character therefore I refuse
to interpret the dreams as mean-spirited. If she was, I never would have
loved the show the way I did and still do.
The dreams were supposed to be entertaining
after all. Steele dreamt that she was a hooker type in one dream. We can
either laugh and enjoy SZ's performance, or more seriously interpret it,
i.e. he saw Laura in purely sexual terms--as either a prude or a slut--
and that makes him guilty of the worst kind of chauvanism.
Also, I think that if there is resentment
at all on her part it could be for the many times Steele enjoyed watching
her squirm while he took the spotlight knowing full well how this hurt
her. |
by
picac (Wed Aug 1 2007) |
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| I'm sorry I can't
buy that since one likes Laura nothing the writers have her do can be unlikeable
-- even in her dreams. I find that dream sequence very harsh and unpleasant.
There's nothing she does in that dream sequence to Steele that is not mean
spirited. It's a distillation of resentment and anger -- effective in that
regard but not pleasant because of it. They could have used the same scenario
of Laura claiming the spotlight in a much less nasty manner. Of course
the resentment is an issue in their relationship and I think it was ripe
for a dream scenario but I just really dislike the execution.
All the sequences are to one effect
or another grotesque caricatures of their personalities, dreams, fears
etc but in the others sequences I find more a sense of playful whimsy and
humor to temper the grotesqueness. Steele's dream has Laura becoming a
slut who couldn't emotionally commit. (Lets face it - her aversion to sex
and intimacy with Steele is a major running theme in their relationship
and wanting to have sex with your partner or seeing your partner as a sexual
being is not chauvanism. ) But in the dream he's also saying he could only
wait so long, there's talk of emotional commitments and broken hearts and
he's not cackling over her like some deranged banshee. |
by
edr1109 (Wed Aug 1 2007) |
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| "I'm sorry I can't
buy that since one likes Laura nothing the writers have her do can be unlikeable
-- even in her dreams"
I agree to that as far as Steele
is concerned too. Just because he is terribly handsome and sensitive most
of the time, doesn't mean that the character has no bad qualities.
And who ever said that Laura had
an aversion to sex with Steele? Just because she sets a limit about emotional
commitment (even though most of us could never follow through with holding
out on Steele) doesn't mean she has an aversion to being with him. She
has a lot of issues, yes. But they both hold out on each other throughout
the series including Steele who turned her down in the beginning of Season
3 and in RHS (but that was for good and noble reasons).
And no, desiring sexual intimacy
with your partner is not chauvanism but the idea of women being objectified
as either virgins or prostitutes (or barefoot and pregnant as in Steele's
second dream) is as old as time.
Bottom line for me is, I love the
show and both characters even though this episode was far from my favorite
episode!!!!! |
by
picac (Wed Aug 1 2007) |
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| I never said Steele
was perfect. I just said Laura's dream sucked because it's so mean spirited
that it's in fact out of character -- ergo it's bad writing. Just like
I thought having Steele think Laura was beating him into confessions of
love in "Now You Steele It, Now You Don't" was disturbing, and bad writing
especially since I don't think we weren't supposed to think it was very
disturbing.
Aversion was the wrong word. It's
more that she's adverse to sex with Steele. I don't think she's repulsed
by the thought of sex or sex with Steele in particular (far from it), but
she is adverse to having sex with Steele for a myriad of different reasons,
otherwise she would during the span of 4 years. He doesn't turn her down
in the beginning of Season 3 (Steele At It), there's another woman
in the room and it doesn't happen. But he is bemused by her unilateral,
I've decided we're going to have sex finally behaviour. She even tells
Mildred before she tells Steele that it's "the night" (and Mr. Steele will
be sure to make it romantic - even though he doesn't know about -- she
assumes he'll say yes, she has no doubts). As he later says there's a rather
lopsided lean in the power of their relationship. And that's not just about
work it's about sex. She's the one that put up the stop signs and road
blocks for 4 plus years. It wasn't a mutual choice. If she gave the go
sign it would have happened. Now if we're talking emotional roadblocks
then yes it was a two way street of road hazards. ;)
Yes. Laura was dumpy and pregnant
in the second dream but Steele wasn't exactly turned on by that or shown
to be in top form - working at the plant, sitting in his TACKY underwear,
watching football, swilling beer and covered in babies. That is most definitely
NOT his dream scenario of an ideal woman or life, it's a nightmare. |
by
edr1109 (Wed Aug 1 2007) |
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| Laura beating
him in that episode was the WORST ever (aside from Season 5). I have no
idea what the writers were thinking.
I love most of the episodes but there
are some that are b-a-d as far as characterizations. Some writers seemed
to know the characters inside and out and some missed the mark. Good thing
Woman of Steele comes next where we get to see their attachment continuing
to form in a pretty realistic light. |
by
picac (Wed Aug 1 2007) |
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| It was great to
hear on the commentary of NYSINYD that Pierce told the writer he did not
like that scene, he did not like Laura hitting Steele. Unfortunately before
he could expand on that and why the scene was left in over Pierce's objections
one of the other commentators cut him off. But it goes to show that the
actors probably knew their character's better than the writers did, especially
when they'd been with them so long and writers rotated in and out. |
by
eusuf987 (Thu Aug 2 2007) |
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| I think that someone
read Carl Sagan's The Dragons of Eden one too many times and came up with
the idea to be able to pen an episode where anything could happen without
hurting the characters. According to his theory, dreams stem from ancient
terrors
when it was important
to remember the hiss of an attacking reptile or the shadow of a plummeting
hawk.
Elsewhere
We are descended
from reptiles and mammals both. In the daytime repression of the R-complex
and in the nightime stirring of the dream dragons, we may each of us be
replaying the hundred-million-year-old warfare between the reptiles and
the mammals.
My understanding of the material
on the whole is that dreams don't tell us who we are. During dreams the
reptilian part of the brain runs loose and dreams become inevitably animal-like.
They do have a lot of entertainment value.
|
by
everglade68 (Thu Aug 2 2007) |
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| For some interesting
info re: dreams go to dreammoods.com
However, though some of the dreams
in this ep were funny, it doesn't take a dream expert to view Laura's dream
as not only disturbing but quite violent.
Isabel |
by
sweetnes3485 (Thu Aug 2 2007) |
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| "I find that
dream sequence very harsh and unpleasant. There's nothing she does in that
dream sequence to Steele that is not mean spirited. It's a distillation
of resentment and anger -- effective in that regard but not pleasant because
of it. They could have used the same scenario of Laura claiming the spotlight
in a much less nasty manner. Of course the resentment is an issue in their
relationship and I think it was ripe for a dream scenario but I just really
dislike the execution."
Turnabout is fair play, eh? It was
not mean-spirited by any means, but well warranted from Laura's point of
view. It would really stink if you went to school for this, trained, and
apprenticed only to have all that put on the back-burner and never get
any recognition.
Rocket J Squirrel
"Hokey, smoke ... well, they don't
call him Wrongway Peachfuzz for nothing!" |
by
everglade68 (Thu Aug 2 2007) |
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| But Rocket, she
is supposed to love this guy. It is not his fault that she does not get
the recognition that she deserves.
Isabel |
by
sweetnes3485 (Thu Aug 2 2007) |
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| My dear Isabel,
this dream has absolutely nothing to do with love. It has everything to
do with vindication, not even recognition, but vindication, albeit in a
bit of a manner that suggests Mr. Steele's S1 penchant for the grandiose.
I, for one, get the dream. I get where Laura is coming from. I like the
dream.
Rocket J Squirrel
"Hokey, smoke ... well, they don't
call him Wrongway Peachfuzz for nothing!" |
by
picac (Fri Aug 3 2007 00:00:06) |
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| Turnabout? He
humiliated and ruined her and took pleasure in it? Now if he'd stolen the
Royale Lavulite (which he could have done easily) and then alerted the
authorities that Steele didn't exist as he cackled over his gems in the
pilot episode then I could see the correlation.
Regardless, even if you think her
anger is righteous that doesn't negate that it's a mean spirited dream.
It's a dream of vindictiveness not just vindication. She's not just announcing
the "truth" she's filled with anger and directs all that anger toward Steele
in her dream and seeks and revels in his ruin. It's not enough she's acknowledged,
she demands that he be arrested and then cackles over him on the street.
And this is a man she's supposedly in love with. It's not only ugly it's
also a cop out of her own responsibility and a complete delusion that she's
the only one responsible for the success of the agency.
She was at Havenhurst for 2 years
before she left and opened her own agency which failed after a few months
of trying and then opens RS and by her own design made herself "unidentified
woman". She wanted quicker success so she created a fictitious man to stand
behind. Steele just stepped in his shoes - and if he hadn't she'd have
stayed in the red or her fraud might have finally blown up in her face
when another client insisted on meeting Mr. Steele. If she didn't want
him to stay he'd have left but she wanted what he brought to the agency.
She made her choice, a choice for her own benefit - she's hardly some put
upon victim. By the time of the dream he's been there 2 years (as long
as she was at Havenhurst), working along side her and he's her partner.
So actually I find her extreme umbrage
and anger in that dream not only out of character and out of proportion
but also more than a tad misplaced and about 2 years too late. If she's
angry with a specific person and not just "society" for not getting her
public due then she should be angry with herself, that she didn't stick
it out with her name on the door or that she didn't tell Steele to go and
make it on her own. No one forced her to do anything, least of all Steele.
And if she feels otherwise then she certainly shouldn't be having a romantic
relationship with him. |
by
auroracat-1 (Fri Aug 3 2007) |
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| I hope everyone
realizes that the writers did not delve this deeply into LH motivations!
The writers of the show wanted the watchers to like LH and have sympathy
for her "prediciment" otherwise they wouldn't keep their audience. They
were probably just trying to write what they thought was a humorous dream
sequence. Most of the writers were men and I find in general men don't
delve into emotional motivation the way women do. Men are much more action
oriented.
And after all, as much as we all
love RS and the characters it is "just a silly TV show" to quote one of
our favorite characters! |
by
edr1109 (Fri Aug 3 2007) |
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| So true on all
accounts. My favorite episodes were the ones that Susan Baskin wrote. She
seemed to "get" them both and had fun with them as well. The characters
did not take themselves too seriously in her episodes but were also vulnerable. |
by
everglade68 (Fri Aug 3 2007) |
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| I agree Auroracat,
it is just a TV show, but a show we all love and are still discussing in
this board after 20 yrs so it must have some meaning for ALL of us.
Rocket, what bothers me about Laura's
dream is that it is so out of character. This is not a Laura I would like
at all. I think the writers did a real number on her.
And I have to agree with Ace, if
she is so upset about Steele's position in the agency that she has such
disturbing dreams about it, how can we possibly believe that she cares
for him at all.
And yes I believe in the significant
of dreams, and it is not just Freud's theories, if you go to dreammoods.com
you will realize that almost everyone attributes meanings to dreams.
Isabel |
by
dtalley (Fri Aug 3 2007) |
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| I'm not one to
analyze all the actions in RS episodes. This is my take on Laura's first
dream: Even though it was her choice to put R in charge of the case, subconsciously
she felt uneasy that she wasn't in control. Her dream took that subconscious
worry and turned it into a nightmare. I think most nightmares have a basis
of truth in them, but I don't believe everything we dream represents something.
It certainly doesn't in my case.
I think this is a topic about which
we need to agree to disagree.
Debra |
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