| SOTW:
Episode #24- Red Holt Steele |
by
Xenos1981 (Fri Apr 6 2007 07:16:46 ) |
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OMG, OMG, OMG,
ladies!!! Red Holt Steele!!! The palm kiss!!! Pierce in jeans with no shirt
on...AND WITH WET HAIR!!! *fanning myself* *Steelegasm* And then in a grey
sweatshirt!!! OMG, OMG, OMG!!! Doesn't get any better than that! Post away...
Xenos
Mamma Mia!!! Pierce Brosnan...Proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy! |
by
Xenos1981 (Sat Apr 7 2007 10:02:35 ) |
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| *sigh* Red Holt
Steele *sigh* Gosh, I love this episode! The palm kiss. Great storyline.
Lots of smooching. Mr. Steele shirtless. A ficus in the underground parking
structure. Lots of tender moments. Mr. Steele with wet hair. Yeah, baby!
Let me start at the beginning. Great
opening...Laura running in the park while Remington sits back and relaxes,
smoking a stogie! LOL! Snappy dialog, too. Too bad Lee Zlotoff didn't write
more episodes. Love how Remington describes Thorpe by saying that he has
an inferior tailor. It always made me laugh -- and still does to this day
-- at what a clothes snob Remington is...Especially in the first two seasons.
His little snide remarks regarding clothes are SO funny!!! Dang, Steph
was in great shape, eh? Oh, to have the discipline to exercise like that.
(Of course, it helps that she lives in LA where it's always nice. It's
22 degrees and snowing here right now...Yes, in April!!! Anyway, that's
what I'm using as my excuse, LOL!) Seems funny that the three obviously
not-so-in-shape guys managed to corner her, though. I'll chalk that up
to her being tired from running so much earlier that morning. Loved how
Laura jumped in the Rabbit and escaped from the bad guys. Just one observation...Shouldn't
she have landed face down? But, then again, that would have been too much
for ANY woman to handle (though I'd be willing to try)!!! [[bigeek]]
LOVED that Laura was reading The
Great American Movie Book while nursing her sore feet (though one would
think she'd have to do that because of wearing three inch heels rather
than running with a nice pair of comfy tennies on.) She's obviously trying
to get closer to Remington. Nice direction.
Mildred. Only the second episode
and we get great character development that continues to be built upon
in subsequent shows. I already feel I know her better than Bernice. Perhaps
because the writers chose to ingratiate and integrate her into the show
and with the fans. Anyway, I found it delightful that she already displays
such loyalty to Mr. Steele. Poor Laura. Now she has to put up with that
crap not only with clients and the media but also on a day-to-day basis
with her secretary. Even the "He's the boss but you're in charge" scene
doesn't change anything. (Remington has a great confession to Mildred coming
up in next week's episode.)
Loved all the smooching and tender
moments in this episode. First, an attempted kiss in the limo. Damn that
Mildred. Then in front of Laura's house! Yummy! Then *sigh* the palm kiss.
(I wonder if that was in the script or if the director came up with it
or if Pierce and Steph came up with it. And was it was planned or something
spontaneous. *coughJudithcough*) Oh, yeah...Speaking of the kiss at the
front door...The first indication that Remington was a boxer! Nice. The
angry "So don't run, but at least have the common sense to stop and catch
your breath, woman!" scene was terrific! Remington coming out of his room
wearing a towel around his neck and jeans...Mmmmmmmm!!! The man looks fabulous
wet, eh?!?! One of the best short exchanges ever -- "You've pulled some
pretty tacky stunts to get me up here alone, but this has got to be a new
low." "You know me. For the right woman, there's no limit to the depths
I'll sink." And the entire crying scene through the palm kiss should be
studied in acting classes and TV/film classes everywhere! Perfection. (I
know Ace doesn't find the fact that he turns down a chance to sleep with
her particularly romantic because only a cad would sleep with a woman in
such a state, but I find it hopelessly wonderful. It shows that he really
does care for her and that it means much more to him than just getting
her into bed. If it hadn't sunk in yet for Laura, it certainly should have
now! And why she didn't run to his apartment and make love with him after
he gave her the piano is beyond my comprehension! But, then again, I would've
jumped him within the first two minutes that he walked into my office as
Ben Pearson!) Also found this very sweet -- "I can take of myself. I have
for a long time now." "Yes, well, that was before it made a difference
to me." Aaawwwwwwww!!! SO romantic!!!
Other nice things...(Sorry this is
getting so long. I'll compact my thoughts now.)...Remington strong-arming
Thorpe at the restaurant. Laura stabbing Frannie with a nail clipper. The
loft scene (complete with smiley face on the dirty windows). LOTS of movie
references. Stephanie actually looked good when she punched out Veckmer.
(Usually she sucks at fights. Too much of a lady to really know how to
do it, I suspect. LOL!) The haunting music Laura plays at the end while
Mr. Steele walks down the street alone. (Didn't someone post that Steph
really played the piano in this episode?) By the way, I think this is only
one of two episodes where they don't freeze frame on Laura and Remington
together. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)
Question: Veckmer's office building...Was
that a Star Trek set? Seriously! LOL! Also, were the blipping and computer-type
sound effects the same ones that were used in the original (Gene Wilder
version, not Johnny Depp version) "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory"
when Willie was transporting objects through space? Hmmmmm...
Guest Stars:
*All wonderful...From the ballsy
RJ to the sweaty Keever to the dastardly Veckmer. Not a bad one in the
bunch.
Headscratchers and Goofs:
*Again, wouldn't Laura have landed
face down in Remington's lap as she jumped into the Rabbit? I know she's
agile, but darn!
*When Remington's watching Laura
through binoculars at the beginning of the episode, there's the usual two
circle "special effect". However, when he's spying on Keever, there's only
one hole.
*When Remington is telling Laura
about Marcos, his robe sleeves are sometimes below his elbows and sometimes
above his elbows.
*Laura's loft has a different exterior
in this episode.
*Remington is smoking a lot in this
episode. Something we've only seen once before in Steele's Gold. I didn't
mind the stogie in the opening scene -- too funny. But seeing him smoke
in the office seemed a bit out of character to me.
*Laura new outfit at the end of
the episode "knock out city"? It's beige and very un-sexy. Was that considered
"knock out city" in the 80s?! Blah!!!
*Remington writing "Play it again,
Sam" on the card to Laura. Damn sweet, I know. But he of all people would
know that Rick/Bogie NEVER SAID THAT! The exact line is "Play it once,
Sam, for old times sake". (Picky, I know. But I just thought I'd point
it out. I LOVE the card and the sentiment!!!)
*Again, a ficus in the underground
parking lot. Have you EVER seen foliage in a parking structure?! (By the
way, according to Michael Gleason, whom Judith called while we were at
dinner in Chicago just to satisfy our curiosity, Lee Zlotoff is responsible
for that. Must have had too much time on his hands between takes.) [[laugh]]
*As Judith pointed out before...Why
does Laura have a picture of Ricky Schroeder on her desk in her house?
*Seems they changed Mr. Steele's
lock for this episode just so Laura couldn't get out. Usually they can
just unbolt it from the inside without using a key. That's OK, though.
It was a necessary plot point. All's forgiven.
Thanks for reading!
Xenos
Mamma Mia!!! Pierce Brosnan...Proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy! |
by
everglade68 (Sat Apr 7 2007 12:25:06 ) |
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| Xenos, you know
this is my favorite episode. Maybe I will print all these posts, starting
with this wonderful one, and frame them for keepsafe. And may I ask how
many times have you seen RHS?
Isabel |
by
MickeyBoggs (Sat Apr 7 2007 14:39:40 ) |
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| To me, this episode
is in some ways the real start of S2. SAWM was like being on vacation,
where things are magnified and nothing is quite real. In RHS, we've made
progress from S1 & SAWM and are getting back to life-as-usual-but-maybe-even-better
and are rudely reminded that nothing is permanent.
Memorable Stuff
- The "long-legged field darter"
comments and R's description of the "rare bird out there just beyond one's
reach"
- L running out of the park and
leaping into the Rabbit - and into R's arms (at least she got to run in
running shoes this time!)
- Nero's one and only appearance
- Mildred refusing to give the pictures
to Laura, waiting to give them to R instead
- Steele interrupting RJ's flight
simulator session
- Mildred's first telephone interruption
- Laura starting to go after Nero
but Rem stopping her with the boxing lessons comment. Her line "But by
then it may be too late" - somehow I don't think she's only referring to
Nero!
- R recognizing how much the piano
meant to L just based on the way she looked at its burned remains
- R locking L into the apartment
- R telling the maitre d' to "show
my friend here" (his suit jacket!) to the table (LOL)
- R masquerading as a waiter and
using that to get close enough to threaten Thorpe
- The maitre d' suddenly losing
his accent when he interrupts Steele & Thorpe
- The thunderstorm scene! The Marcos
Androkus story, thinking of the possibilities and "tonight, if you asked
me...." and the palm kiss
- Laura hitching up her jeans before
going into R's office to give Mildred the "he's the boss but I'm in charge"
speech
- Laura tugging her jeans back into
place after having "played Claudette" for the security guard
- They're not even in the frame
together, but there's something very intimate about the ending
Character Development
- L reading The Great American Movie
book while icing her feet
- We learn Laura graduated summa
cum laude at Stanford
- We also get the first glimpse
of a confusing timeline about her life since college. She had an unprecedented
rise to full operative at Havenhurst within 3 years, leaving to form Laura
Holt Investigations, which lasted just 6 months. For the last 3.5 years
she's been employed by RSI. This timeline is conflicted by later episodes.
- Celebrating with each other after
the successful day in the park. They're looking very comfortable together
and I've always wondered what would have happened if her house hadn't been
blown to smithereens
- Rem putting himself in between
Laura and the explosion
- When she's threatened, Laura kicks
into high-gear-investigation mode, to her own detriment
- Steele's genuine concern that
Laura had done something rash and gotten herself killed
- Steele's admission - to Laura
- that she matters to him (when he mentions being concerned someone was
trying to kill her)
- When L cries about no house, no
things, no Bernice, no Murphy - R points out that he's still here. Neither
is willing to ask/say whether he's going anywhere or not, but he's here
now and that's important to both of them.
- R's refusal to take advantage
of L's vulnerable state should be a huge clue for her that he's not just
out for a conquest. Too bad it doesn't register fully with her.
Favorite lines
R: You know I've always found a bit
of rigorous physical exercise in the morning so-
L: invigorating to watch?
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RJ: When I set out to kick some
tail, it never hurts to have a good, stiff boot
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L: We're going to have a little
talk with our Miss Krebs very, very soon.
R: Really? What about?
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L: But Mr. Steele, my cat doesn't
have any claws. How will he defend himself?
R: When he comes back I'll give
him boxing lessons
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L: I can take care of myself. I
have for a long time now.
R: Yes, well, that was before it
made a difference to me.
Hair & Clothing
- Steele's dark suit & white
shirt. So basic, so classy, so yum.
- The wet hair, no shirt, blue jeans
look - followed by the sweatshirt/jeans combo. Why does nobody else look
that good in a sweatshirt?!
- Laura looks good in his shirt
& blue jeans! Love the tie-belt. And I understand that the heels are
her only shoes but I would have borrowed $30 to go get a pair of sneakers,
personally
Guest Star Notes
- Funny to see Audrey Neenan, a judge
on the L&O series, as a baddie named Frannie
- The maitre d' (Raye Birk) returns
in Lofty Steele
- Charlene, the real estate agent
(Dee Dee Rescher) returns in Premium Steele
- Joel Polis (Veckmer) would later
star as SZ's husband in "The Baby Dance" and as her lawyer in "Prison of
Secrets"
Goofs, Headscratchers & Misc
- The music, while appropriately
tension-inducing, drives me nuts on repeated viewings.
- Thorpe & Keever sure do move
quickly for a couple of out-of-shape suits
- As we've discussed in chat group
- why on earth does Laura have a photo of Ricky Schroeder on her dresser?!
- As it's burning, you can tell
the house is obviously empty
- Since the house exploded at their
backs, how did R & L get soot on their faces when they turn back to
look at the fire?
- The line "You've pulled some tacky
stunts to get me up here alone, but this has got to be a new low" refers
to a deleted scene where Mildred picks Laura up, supposedly to take her
to a hotel, but drives her to Mr. Steele's instead. Laura threatens to
fire her if they don't go to the hotel, but since Mildred thinks Mr. Steele
is the boss, she just smiles and keeps driving to Rossmore.
- In the script, Steele's alias
is actually spelled Ksenos, though that doesn't appear in an online Greek-English
dictionary. Xenos, however, does appear there and does indeed mean "stranger".
- The photo that R shows Keever
is not the same one shown on the insert. The one R holds does have 3 people,
but the person in the middle has his arms outstretched as if he's trying
to pull the people on either side up next to him
- Just what IS that thing in the
loft that Laura tells the real estate agent to leave there?
- When Mildred's reading the file
on Veckmer to R & L - I'm pretty sure that's actually her script!
- So Lee Z is responsible for it,
but still, WHY is there a ficus in the parking garage? It just makes no
sense! |
by
dtalley (Sat Apr 7 2007 15:58:29 ) |
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| Laura's line also
makes sense with the scene as it was filmed. Remington locked her in his
apartment and she considers that to be tacky and low.
Debra
> The line "You've pulled some tacky
stunts to get me up here alone, but this has got to be a new low" refers
to a deleted scene where Mildred picks Laura up, supposedly to take her
to a hotel, but drives her to Mr. Steele's instead. Laura threatens to
fire her if they don't go to the hotel, but since Mildred thinks Mr. Steele
is the boss, she just smiles and keeps driving to Rossmore. |
by
picac (Sat Apr 7 2007 16:22:17 ) |
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| I'm still wondering
exactly what stunts, tacky or otherwise, he's used to get her up there
alone? Examples please, because I don't recall seeing any. Maybe they're
just in Laura's dreams. ;-)
I haven't done the re-watching yet
(but I've seen this episode so many times) and won't till after the holiday
but since Xenos mentioned it I'm going to expand on my that's not too romantic
- "If you asked me to" - moment. She's a bloody vulnerable emotional mess,
and there she's not even saying I'd like to make love with you, or even
I need you sexually right now -- nope she's saying "if you asked me to"
I might not say no. Wow. Who wants to hear "If you asked me to" during
the best of circumstances, unless maybe it's done in a teasing playful
manner? It's almost like she's doing him a favor - or sacrificing herself
on some altar; saying my defense are so low now I might let you have sex.
Ehhhh. Not romantic at all IMO. I can't see it being too hard for Steele
to turn down that offer, whether he was in love with her or not. I've never
liked that wording and find it an unfortunate clunker in a very beautiful
scene. I don't think that's the moment where he proves he loves her and
it's not causal. I think the way he treats and cares for her the entire
episode is what proves he loves her. |
by
everglade68 (Sat Apr 7 2007 18:47:20 ) |
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| Ah Ace if you
put it like that, yes, I can understand that the "if you asked me to" moment
might not be as perfect as we think. However, the whole scene was very
beautiful like you said and the palm kiss is so tender especially coming
from Laura. I don't really see it as a sexual scene but more of a sweet,
caring moment that both of them shared.
Isabel |
by
dlxauburn (Sat Apr 7 2007 19:38:22 ) |
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| Red Holt
Steele is definately in my top five episodes. Love all the comments and
observations so far..... here's a few more.
Hat's off to Steph athleticism. How
the heck can say the line with 'ornathologist' in it while running??? You
have to be in great condition. Later the photo of the "long legged field
darter" really shows off her great legs!
In RJ's hanger, they walk past a
large box with the word Steelcase on it(Steelcase is an office furniture
company). It's a nice small visual joke.
When Mildred knocks on Laura's door
to deliver the pictures, Laura says "It's open." Then Mildred comes in
with "Mr. Steele? Oh Miss Holt." Like she's surprised to find Laura in
her own house. Just the first of many to come regarding Mildred's puppy
like loyalty to "The Boss".
While perched awkwardly on the piano,
Laura's cat-like hiss of frustration over Mildred's refusal to show her
the pictures blends in the later appearance of Nero. Perhaps a people adopting
characteristics of their pets bit Steph added? Nice touch and sympathetically
funny.
The House explosion was very cool!
Laura is a mess, dirty and filthy, but Remington is clean as ever. Though
they do reference the "smell of smoke"later in his apartment.
When Remington is greeted at the
resturant, the maitre'd has a french accent. But he later loses it when
yelling out the back to Remengton who is accosting Thorpe. The maitre'd
is later seen in Lofty Steele when Laura is again temporarily homeless.
See XXXenos's comments regarding
the thunderstorm/apartment/crying/if you asked/ I don't think/scene....
nicely done. Really showed off Remington's Irish story telling quality.
The machine in the loft that Laura
tells the agent to leave behind appears to be a horizontal lathe. It would
be used for machining metal, like Steele, into useful components or parts.
No wonder she wants to keep it!
Laura squeezing Remington's shoulder
during the "he's the boss, but I'm in charge" scene. Ha!
The ending with the "Play it again,
Sam" written on the card for the piano and the trenchcoat clad Steele walking
away from camera on a wet street is a nice intentionally tip of the cap
to Casablanca. All they were missing was the fog. But with blowing up a
house, the budget for this episde probably couldn't handle a fog machine
rental. But it is significant that the audience subliminally recall Bogart's
last line to Claude Rains, "This could be the start of a beautiful friendship."
I think we see the same reflected in Laura and Remington's relationship
now at the begining of season two. Murphy's no longer the partner and they
don't need to pretend to keep an arms length apart. Remington is now the
protective partner and gladly steps up to the role. It's a lovely finish
to a great episode. |
by
Xenos1981 (Sat Apr 7 2007 20:34:56 ) |
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| Great comments,
Christine! Didn't catch the "Steelcase" thing. I'll watch for it next time.
Mick, wonderful post as usual!
Ace...Sorry, babe, but I just can't
view Laura's "tonight if you asked me" line as sacrificing herself on some
altar. Rather, I view it as her telling him that he's made her feel better,
safer and more hopeful after a bleak day and that she'd like to make love
with him. No, she doesn't say it eloquently or with flowery words, but
I do like it. Hell, we've all had terrible tragedies in our lives and sometimes
we think being with someone sexually (that hopefully we love) makes it
better...whether it's right or not, whether it will or it won't. Remington
knew she'd regret it and was a gentleman to not ask. Not sure how many
other men would turn down that opportunity. But I think it was an honest
scene with honest words coming from both Laura and Remington. And I think
it was EXTREMELY well acted and makes me emotional every time I watch it.
Xenos
Mamma Mia!!! Pierce Brosnan...Proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy! |
by
picac (Sat Apr 7 2007 21:10:00 ) |
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| Sorry, that turn
of phrase just doesn't work for me in a romantic context. I understand
the need for physical connection after tragedy or shock but that particular
turn of phrase is not proactive but rather very passive -- so passive,
vulnerable and unsure as to make any other response by any decent person
pretty unthinkable. Yes Steele is always the gentleman but I don't think
he's gone above and beyond here or that it was much of a sacrifice. That
entire scene for me is more about friendship, tenderness and emotional
intimacy than about sex or romance.
Now the last scene, when she plays
his gift of the piano and he listens from the street and walks away alone
-- that's what I find romantic. |
by
Xenos1981 (Sun Apr 8 2007 08:16:47 ) |
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| OK, I'll concede
that the scene is more about friendship, tenderness and emotional intimacy...But
it is also about sex and romance. And I still love it!!!
Oh, and yes, the end scene is very
romantic. Very Casablanca-esque...Right down to Mr. Steele's raincoat.
*sigh*
Xenos |
by
gardentraveler (Sun Apr 8 2007 19:14:53 ) |
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| Most of my favorite
moments have already been mentioned.
I'm also fascinated by Mr. Steele's
grey sweatshirt look and puzzled by the admiration of Laura's new dress
at the end.
Another moment I find puzzling is
when Steele goes to look for Laura and thinks she's the one who jumped
off a building. I don't get the feeling that he's thinking she was murdered
and can't understand why he'd think she'd jump. What does everyone else
think?
Does the pendant he wears annoy anyone
else? I really don't like it.
One of the touches I love in the
scene where he's done talking to Thorpe and he taps Thorpe's face twice
just like he taps the car when he's sending it off (and taps other stuff
he's done with throughout the series).
I vote that the "if you asked me"
scene is romantic.
The ficus: mysterious and unnatural.
Ricky Schroeder? Didn't notice. I'm
betting the picture was just handy.
I'm sure there are other parts I
meant to comment on, but it's late and I'm sleepy.... I'll add more later.
GT
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by
dtalley (Sun Apr 8 2007 19:55:55 ) |
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| I agree that the
Xenos/thunderstorm scene is romantic. It's also tender, haunting, funny,
bittersweet, loving, intimate, and touching. That was the scene I talked
about on the DVD "St. Fanatics" feature because to me it was the most memorable
scene in the entire series.
Remington's medallion actually belonged
to Pierce. I've always loved it, but I might be biased since I've always
known the story behind it.
Direct quotes from the "PB Chronicles",
3-15-84, Vol. #1 (This was the official PB fan club newsletter.)
Question: "What is the medallion
that you wear around your neck?"
PB's Answer: "The medallion is mine
and it belonged to my grandmother. It was the back of her watch and has
the initials 'KOR', which stand for Kathleen O'Reilly and has the date
1923. The watch was given to her my grandfather. She didn't like it and
she had it made into a bracelet. It was given to me and it's the only thing
that I have of hers."
Debra
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by
MickeyBoggs (Mon Apr 9 2007 12:26:49 ) |
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Laura's line also makes
sense with the scene as it was filmed. Remington locked her in his apartment
and she considers that to be tacky and low.
Maybe I'm just too picky with the wording.
The "to get me up here alone" phrasing implies to me that she wasn't in
the apartment and he did something to get her there. If it referred to
the locking-her-in actions, I would think the wording should be more along
the lines of "to KEEP me up here alone". She came to his place willingly
- it was the enforced STAYING at his place that she objected to (along
with the fact that Mildred was so clearly "working against" her for her
own good). |
by
DCZinger (Mon Apr 9 2007 12:31:46 ) |
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| Here we have the
"quintissential" Remington Steele Episode:
To be this episode MUST have:
1. Pierce with his shirt off.
2. Stephanie showing off her athleticism.
3. Remington roughing up anyone
who dares not answer the lady's( Laura) questions.
4. Mildred digging through the paperwork
for facts.
Great lines:
L: "I can take care of myself, I
have for a long time".
R: "Yes, but that was before it made
a difference to me"
Sigh, Remington can make me noodle
soup from a foil packet ANYTIME.
L: "You've pulled some pretty tacky
stunts to get me up here alone, but this has got to be a new low."
R: "You know me. For the right woman,
there's no limit to the depths I'll sink." ( this turned out to be prophetic...see
"Bonds of Steele".
L: "He's the boss, but *you're* in
charge?" Mildred asks.
R: "Having worked for the government,
Mildred, I wouldn't think the concept beyond your grasp," Steele points
out. (That line produced guffaws of appreciation from Mr. Zinger, who did
10 years with the government, and now works as a consultant.)
The restaurant where Steele threatens
Thorpe is the 94th Aero Squadron. We have one in nearby Maryland, and it's
not as upscale as the one depicted in this episode....but it does have
the aeroplane theme going on there.
The fact that Laura can admit to
Remington that she "couldn't say no" tells me that she is indeed shaken
to the core, but also TRUSTED Remington enough to tell him. And he recognizes
that and is ever the gentleman enough to do what's best for her ( and him)
and demur. I see the palm kiss as her acknowledgement that Remington is
right to "not ask" and also that she was grateful that he was the gentleman
that he is. THAT's why this is, to me, one of their best moments. In my
"ultimate box set" of a future Remington Steele re-release ( of course,
NOT done by the "Wolf" network) is Pierce and Stephanie discussing how
they shot this scene. Sigh.
I agree with a previous poster, that
Mildred must need glasses if she thinks Laura's first new dress is a "knockout".
Ick.
I like how the shots of Steele answering
the door after a shower shows, but not quite, shows his bare chest. Just
enough to get our imaginations going ( and does it ever get going!). Oh,
yes...the jeans. YOWZA!
DCZinger
"It takes two to bicker, Laura. A
daddy-bickerer and a mummy-bickerer." |
by
Xenos1981 (Mon Apr 9 2007 15:06:02 ) |
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| Ace, Ace, ACE
-- and everyone else!!! PLEASE tell me that SOMEONE saw Desperate Housewives
last night! (Guilty pleasure, sorry.) There was a scene in there that in
some ways mirrored the "tonight if you asked me" scene...And it proved
my point about sex/intimacy/men and how romantic the RS scene really is.
Follow...
Edie (the neighborhood slut, for
lack of a better word) was "itchy" because she hadn't had sex for over
three weeks. Carlos (Gabby's ex-hubby), who took off his shirt while playing
basketball, was looking mighty fine to Edie and she did her best to seduce
him. Carlos refused her saying that she wasn't what he was looking for
and it would ruin their friendship. Nice guy. But then the next night,
Edie went over to his house and started taking off her clothes. And as
she was doing so, she talked to him about how her bra held up her slightly
sagging breasts and how her panties hid her c-section scar until she was
standing there naked and vulnerable in front of him. He held her in his
arms and hugged her. So I'm thinking that this guy is AWESOME...so Remington-like.
I'm thinking he really cares for her. Uh-uh. Next scene? He boinked her.
So, although you might not care for
the wordage, I think our "tonight if you asked me" scene is STILL romantic
as hell...Whether it's about sex or intimacy or friendship.
Xenos
Mamma Mia!!! Pierce Brosnan...Proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy! |
by
picac (Mon Apr 9 2007 15:48:12 ) |
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| The difference
is that Edie is a bit of care free nympho and her big trauma was that she
hadn't been laid recently. Edie's house didn't just blow up and I assume
she wasn't a quivering, blubbering, tear stained, probably snot sniveling
emotionally traumatized mess either (ooh that sounds sexually appealing
-- how could Steele resist?) I bet if Laura was all playful, and lusty
and started taking her clothes off because she was horny Steele would have
jumped her bones -- hell that's probably his dream scenario! LOL |
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Xenos1981 (Mon Apr 9 2007 15:55:19 ) |
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*sigh* OK, I give
up. (But, just so you know...Edie wasn't bubbly and seductive while she
was taking off her clothes. She was a tragic figure in this scene.)
Xenos (who STILL thinks it's romantic)
Mamma Mia!!! Pierce Brosnan...Proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy! |
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dtalley (Mon Apr 9 2007 17:52:00 ) |
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| No need to give
up your opinion, Xenos. I think that scene is the most romantic one in
the entire series.
Debra |
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JuleanJS (Tue Apr 10 2007 14:39:49 ) |
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| Wow! You people
are GOOD!
Here's my two cents:
I'm always amazed at how easily they
can sip such full glasses of champagne without spilling. When they arrive
at Laura's house, Fred stops pretty abruptly.
I love the close-up of the kiss on
her doorstep. How can their kisses, which are so strictly PG, be so fantastic?!
Love the "Tonight, if you asked me..."
scene. Sorry, Ace. I can see your points completely, but it still makes
me sigh every time I watch. I think I mentioned before that the syndicated
version I recorded as a kid cut those two most important lines. For years,
I didn't know what I'd missed. Romantic or not, it's very key to their
relationship.
Just one personal antidote: As a
kid, my mother forced me to take piano lessons. After a few years, I stopped
practicing and came to dread the weekly chance for my teacher to discover
as much. Then Laura played that song (not sure if I'm remembering right,
but is it Prelude in E minor?) and I just happened to be working on it
for my lessons at the time. My mother and teacher couldn't believe how
well I learned that piece. Too bad it didn't carry over. I still quit lessons
soon after.
Anyway, loved the episode start
to finish. Isn't there a fanfic out there about Laura's reaction to the
piano when she next sees Remington? |
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everglade68 (Tue Apr 10 2007 18:36:31 ) |
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| Red Holt Steele
is probably my favorite episode of the show. It is not because it is the
best written or the music is better because it is not. It is my favorite
episode because it makes me feel the underlying emotions between Laura
and Remington much more than any other episode.
Steele's love for Laura shines through
in RHS. In countless ways, he shows his love for Laura and not only is
he aware of it, he is not afraid of his feelings. Laura too is much more
emotionally and for once is able to let her feelings show. During the storm
scene, Laura cannot help but really, really allow Remington to get close
to her. Just watching her looking at Remington while he tells his Marcos
story is extremely powerful. The look of love is in her face the whole
time he is telling his fantastic story. The palm kiss, which is my favorite,
makes me catch my breath every time I see it.
My two favorite lines, were both
Remington's. "Then you're going to have the unprecedented honor of sleeping
in my bed - pajamas optional...while I keep company with the couch". And
the very best is "think of the possibilities". Too bad that the possibilities
I thought of were not written into the show.
Oh, this is the only episode title
of the entire series to include Laura's last name as well as Steele's.
Just this makes it so very special.
Isabel |
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whoizzitt (Tue Apr 10 2007 21:09:16 ) |
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| Don't give up
Xenos, I agree with you (as do most fans) that this was a very romantic
scene and the 'if you asked' words worked perfectly. I loved that she was
all teary and vulnerable and he turned her down. Perfect. One of my favourite
scenes of the entire show. Loved your post. Thanks for sharing it. |
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picac (Wed Apr 11 2007 00:19:17 ) |
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| Most of this episode
has been covered but here are some points, many redundant which is why
I skipped most of the choice quotes because most go without saying and
have been said. ;)
We see Steele with an easel and a
painting off to the side as part of his cover – alas we do not see him
paint. It’s not until Season 3 that we find out he has actual artistic
ability in Steele Illustrated.
During that time PB took up cigars
and voila he introduces it here though Steele rarely smokes them in the
series again.
Steele may be harsh about Thorpe’s
inferior tailor but he’s awfully generous about Thorpe only needing to
lose 10 lbs. ;-)
There's no way those men should have
been able to get that close to Laura unless she developed cramps. Laura
bends her knees getting into the car and you can see her shift to where
she’s almost sitting up and then leans back (quite wonderfully) on Steele,
so there isn’t some cut where she lands face first edited out.
Laura reading The Great American
Movie Book – I think it’s the only time we see someone reading on screen
in Steele for pleasure. A great touch that she’s trying to get closer to
Steele—and builds on her comment in Steele Away With Me that in order to
communicate with him she's going to have to learn his language -- movies.
Very funny how Laura takes Nero’s
place on the piano and hisses like a cat. Steele seems rather non plussed
by her position – as if it happens all the time.
Laura is walking awfully stiffly
when they first meet RJ – like her shoes are stuck to the floor or she’s
stepping over invisible things. Hmmmm- -- maybe her feet hurt from running
in something flat and comfortable like sneakers. ;)
Laura covered in soot after the blast
and Steele who covered her with his body and who’s actually raking though
the debris is immaculate in a white shirt no less! Is he teflon coated?
Steele seeing Laura’s expression
when she looks at her piano and knowing from that how much it means to
her. Then there’s his palpable panic (with a cute little spin around) when
he can’t find Fred when she leaves in the rabbit. The man really does need
his own car.
Barbara Cason as RJ is fantastic.
That single line reading about the addresses of her grandchildren conveys
all her strength, horror and fear.
Steele's growing frustration that
laura can't admit that she's shaken and needs to depend on someone -- on
him - and then Laura's little soft "sorry" when he leaves knowing that
she just shut him out when he was trying to help.
I assume Steele has a double locking
door; it can be locked from within or without. If so I’m surprised Laura
hasn’t tried it to keep tabs on him – then again Steele can pick any lock
and he could also go through the window. ;-)
“My my my, I approve of your tailor”
– how complimentary of him. ;-) In Pierce’s 2000 GQ ‘Most Stylish Man of
the Year” Award they showed clips from his films and used this Steele clip
to wrap up his video introduction.
I always think Laura would be much
less in a snit if he’d opened the door before he put on his sweatshirt.
Because--- Oh MY GOD!
As for her line about the tacky stunt,
it doesn’t make any sense since she should say it was a tacky stunt to
keep her there not get her there. It also doesn’t make much sense because
we’ve never been privy to any tacky stunts to get her up there in any previous
episode.
When does Laura think he had the
time to make a gourmet creation? And yes as someone asked soup can indeed
come in little foil packets. I think Liptons did and maybe still does.
I like that Steele comes out when
he hears her crying but after the day of her pushing him away he turns
away because he probably thinks she doesn’t want him to see her that way
and doesn’t want his comfort. Then even after she asks him not to go he
makes small talk about sleep and coffee and waits until she actually goes
into his arms and then he soothes her and strokes her hair tenderly but
still rather tentitively.
It’s an extremely superficial thing
to say about such an emotional and intimate scene but Laura’s hair looks
fantastic– that is when I can tear my eyes away from Steele’s open robe.
;-). Interesting that Laura sleeps in Steele’s white shirt and not any
pajamas. It’s not as if he’s wearing his top. :D
Not only is Steele a first rate energetic
storyteller but the accompanying music behind the Xenos story – from playful
to serious to hopeful is great – as is the segue into Laura’s theme in
the “Tonight if you asked me” as she kisses his palm.
I wonder when exactly Steele was
Xenos. It sounds like he’s young but how young. At 14 he met Daniel in
London but then by around 20 he was boxing in Argentina. I’d love to see
an official timeline of his life.
Laura is still wearing the same Steele
outfit the next day – she is aware he has a closet full of clothes isn’t
she? :D I notice she still wears heels – and I think Laura kept the high
heels for her Claudette Colbert moment – sneakers wouldn’t have made quite
the same impression. But Steele has a pair of nifty white glow in the dark
sneakers that look enormous.
Steele’s pronunciation of saxophonist
– delightfully un-American. ;-)
“It’s a filthy warehouse
with the single luxury of a toilet”
“I’ve always made a point to move
up the ladder in the process”
So he considers being Steele
a move up. I’m surprised Laura didn’t latch onto that though she was too
busy trying to figure out if Xenos is his name. I’m surprised the summa
cum laude though didn’t know Xenos meant stranger in Greek what with it
being the root for xenophobic (fear of strangers).
Laura hits so hard she does the Steele-like
flexing the wrist after thing.
A cat on a piano next to a glass
vase with a flower and the vase is still on the piano and not on the floor?
Nero is one in a million. As is Steele (especially if he didn’t charge
the piano to the company credit card).
Steele with the toothpick, walking
alone on the dark street in his trench coat as Chopin plays in the background
– very noir. And I’ve never noticed before but Steele does a little skip
over the corner that’s perfectly in sync with the notes.
It's simply one of the best tags
of the series, the most unique and one of the most romantic even though
they’re not together. That Steele had Fred drive him there to make sure
Laura was OK was just the last in a series of acts in this episode that
show how protective he is of her and how deeply he cares about her safety
and her happiness.
FASHION:
I like Laura’s leopard print blouse
and the brown skirt. Much dressier actually than the striped blue dress
she goes out on the town with Steele in – though that oddly has leopard
spots on the arms as well. Maybe it's a cat theme? If so I’m surprised
Nero isn’t covered in them instead of being black. She looks good in Steele’s
clothes but the white shirt looks a little tight and the legs don’t look
like they’re rolled up enough to actually be his clothes. The tie as belt
is completely cute but it doesn't look like any tie Steele's worn.
The shirt dress – alas it won’t be
the last it’s seen. Not knockout city but what else are Mildred and Steele
going to say about Laura’s dress? Her house and all her belongings just
went up – she’s proud of her purchase – even if they hated it friendship
compels them to lie and compliment it. :D
Mr. Steele’s navy suit— beautiful
spotted tie, gorgeous wine silk handkerchief. But nothing compares to Mr.
Steele wet and dripping from the shower and shirtless in blue jeans – not
even the beautiful pattern opened robe. The trench coat at the end – rarely
has a man done so much for a trench coat.
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by
Xenos1981 (Thu Apr 12 2007 08:11:37 |
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| Great posts, ladies!
Isabel, I'm glad you enjoyed this episode so much! I love it, too. It's
just so lovely! The whole scene where Laura is crying and Remington is
comforting her is simply sublime!
Ace...I'm beginning to think you
might like Pierce a little bit, eh? LOL! He certainly was teasing us in
this episode with his nice, tight jeans...no shirt...wet hair... *Steelegasm*
Whoops! Sometimes they just sneak up on you. Yeah...He looked GREAT in
this episode! (Though when doesn't he?!?!) *sigh*
Questions:
1. Is Laura reading the same book
(The Great American Movie Book) that Mr. Steele brought with him in his
suitcase in "License To Steele"?
2. About that 2000 GQ "Most Stylish
Man of the Year" Award video, Ace... *coughisitpostedsomewherefordownloadcough*
Xenos
Mamma Mia!!! Pierce Brosnan...Proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy! |
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